Emergency services

NewName24 · 21/02/2024 23:08

Of course they should.

spiritualawakening · 21/02/2024 23:12

I also think there needs to be a new set of emergency paramedics. Do you call 999 for the granny who has fallen or the mental health crisis of the homeless man (both examples on ambulance recently) but that a separate team goes out and is able to social prescribe, and assist without taking resource away from RTCs etc

This is so obvious to me, can someone explain why it's not done?

damnedwhatever · 21/02/2024 23:26

Police are the last bastion when no one else will attend or step up . They deal with way more than their remit . They don't deal with crime anymore. They have to be mental health workers , counsellors, negotiators, social workers , parents , crime comes last . Change is certainly needed in that service .

Lifebeganat50 · 21/02/2024 23:29

spiritualawakening · 21/02/2024 23:12

I also think there needs to be a new set of emergency paramedics. Do you call 999 for the granny who has fallen or the mental health crisis of the homeless man (both examples on ambulance recently) but that a separate team goes out and is able to social prescribe, and assist without taking resource away from RTCs etc

This is so obvious to me, can someone explain why it's not done?

It’s not universal, and not as well resourced as it needs to be, but this is happening in Scotland now

fourelementary · 21/02/2024 23:30

Olidora · 21/02/2024 22:34

Does anyone else think that the emergency services should be recognised / paid a bloody good wage for their services? Saving lives ,seeing absolutely gruesome stuff that they will never unsee !

What about social workers? Police? Nurses? Same could be said for them so why stop there? Is a paramedic in the Highlands and Islands in an area with no motorways or knife crime worthy of earning the same as an inner city colleague?

Scarletttulips · 21/02/2024 23:31

I think they are on about £40K to start and have degrees.

They are professionals on their own right.

What they need is to be able to drop the person at the hospital and not wait round for hours of wasted time and resource.

NewName24 · 21/02/2024 23:32

I think they are on about £40K to start and have degrees.

They wish

Kimmeridge · 21/02/2024 23:33

What about social workers? Police? Nurses? Same could be said for them so why stop there

Police ARE emergency services so the OP is talking about them too

NewName24 · 21/02/2024 23:34

spiritualawakening · 21/02/2024 23:12

I also think there needs to be a new set of emergency paramedics. Do you call 999 for the granny who has fallen or the mental health crisis of the homeless man (both examples on ambulance recently) but that a separate team goes out and is able to social prescribe, and assist without taking resource away from RTCs etc

This is so obvious to me, can someone explain why it's not done?

I say this every time I watch any of the programmes.

Highly skilled paramedics sitting in a house with either a lonely elderly person, or a person with mental health issues for hours sometimes, who could be replaced with people who aren't on blue lights, and who have a different skillset.

What they need is to be able to drop the person at the hospital and not wait round for hours of wasted time and resource.

But this is the crux of the matter.
This is why people can't get an ambulance in a reasonable time span.

Kimmeridge · 21/02/2024 23:35

I think they are on about £40K to start and have degrees

Nowhere near that at the start. And since OP is talking about emergency services not just ambulance then most don't have degrees

Kinneddar · 21/02/2024 23:36

Highly skilled paramedics sitting in a house with either a lonely elderly person, or a person with mental health issues for hours sometimes

And police officers who also get stuck sitting for entire shifts dealing with MH patients which is why people can't get crimes dealt with

damnedwhatever · 21/02/2024 23:40

Kinneddar · 21/02/2024 23:36

Highly skilled paramedics sitting in a house with either a lonely elderly person, or a person with mental health issues for hours sometimes

And police officers who also get stuck sitting for entire shifts dealing with MH patients which is why people can't get crimes dealt with

Exactly right .

Often if you take a mental health patient into either hospital or a 136 suite the staff will not assume responsibility for them . That means often a double crewed car baby sitting for a full 12 hour shift . That might not sound too bad - but when there are only 6 of yku on shift - taking 2 away is a third of the shift tied up . It only takes a further 2 arrests and that's the shift gone . Run out of resources.

Stressedoutforever · 21/02/2024 23:40

NewName24 · 21/02/2024 23:34

I say this every time I watch any of the programmes.

Highly skilled paramedics sitting in a house with either a lonely elderly person, or a person with mental health issues for hours sometimes, who could be replaced with people who aren't on blue lights, and who have a different skillset.

What they need is to be able to drop the person at the hospital and not wait round for hours of wasted time and resource.

But this is the crux of the matter.
This is why people can't get an ambulance in a reasonable time span.

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100% agree, DH is a senior paramedic and he spent a majority of his time helping people in non emergency situations. The one that sticks with him was a broadcast (asking who is avaliable now and able to go to even if they're on a meal break or something) to a 7 month old choking with a total blocked airway

That was the age of baby DS at home and he was stuck with a mid 20s bloke who was drunk

Stressedoutforever · 21/02/2024 23:44

Scarletttulips · 21/02/2024 23:31

I think they are on about £40K to start and have degrees.

They are professionals on their own right.

What they need is to be able to drop the person at the hospital and not wait round for hours of wasted time and resource.

An ECA on an ambulance is on about 22k.. that's who you're more likely to get show up for you than a paramedic

Mydoghealsmyheart · 21/02/2024 23:45

What does ECA stand for?

spiritualawakening · 21/02/2024 23:47

Can someone please
explain why there isn't a next level of tier for emergency services?

They already categorise the 999 calls so why doesn't this happen?

Original poster

Olidora · 21/02/2024 23:47

fourelementary · 21/02/2024 23:30

What about social workers? Police? Nurses? Same could be said for them so why stop there? Is a paramedic in the Highlands and Islands in an area with no motorways or knife crime worthy of earning the same as an inner city colleague?

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I am a nurse,daughter is a social worker. Sorry my thoughts were not intended to offend . I have just been watching a TV program and was just thinking about how the paramedics literally see stuff that I wouldn’t ever want to see …🤦‍♀️

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Stressedoutforever · 21/02/2024 23:48

Mydoghealsmyheart · 21/02/2024 23:45

What does ECA stand for?

Emergency care assistant

damnedwhatever · 21/02/2024 23:48

Police start on around 24k . Only after 7 years are they on top dollar and in my day it was 10 years .

Dancingfairydreams · 21/02/2024 23:49

NewName24 · 21/02/2024 23:34

I say this every time I watch any of the programmes.

Highly skilled paramedics sitting in a house with either a lonely elderly person, or a person with mental health issues for hours sometimes, who could be replaced with people who aren't on blue lights, and who have a different skillset.

What they need is to be able to drop the person at the hospital and not wait round for hours of wasted time and resource.

But this is the crux of the matter.
This is why people can't get an ambulance in a reasonable time span.

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This is happening, its just not talked about. Google st john ambulance cymru falls assistant's. This is exactly what This is, non emergency but can triage & liaise with gp physio etc. No idea why it's not talked about more. It's happening, just not discussed

olderbutwiser · 21/02/2024 23:49

Emergency Care Assistant - a Healthcare Assistant level clinician who can drive on blue lights. BUT in my trust they will always be paired up with a paramedic or technician/aap.

AAP/Techs are the Ginger Rogers of the ambulance service - do everything the Paramedics do but backwards and in high heels (ie without the training or the drugs).

Kimmeridge · 21/02/2024 23:49

damnedwhatever · 21/02/2024 23:40

Exactly right .

Often if you take a mental health patient into either hospital or a 136 suite the staff will not assume responsibility for them . That means often a double crewed car baby sitting for a full 12 hour shift . That might not sound too bad - but when there are only 6 of yku on shift - taking 2 away is a third of the shift tied up . It only takes a further 2 arrests and that's the shift gone . Run out of resources.

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I saw my resources appear at the start of the shift. 8 double crewed cars. Thought it was my birthday til the Sgt phoned.

1 to sit in a house with someone awaiting a call from a MH nurse
1 watching a prisoner at hospital
FOUR sitting at hospital with MH patients. They were still there when the shifts changed over

My 8 cars went to 2 instantly
1 got an apprehension an hour in and that was it 1 double crewed car. At that point I had 14 calls waiting - and that's why the public can't get a service from the police. When the other agencies are stuck, the buck stops with us & we get left with everything

spiritualawakening · 21/02/2024 23:49

Eg when I watch ambulance they also have the higher tier super paramedics who have the extra training, who go along in a car, and do logistics and take charge of the scene etc.
why aren't there the lower versions of that, who have specialist geriatric training
Or who have specialist mental health training.

damnedwhatever · 21/02/2024 23:50

Cops also see things that cannot be erased . They often attend with fire and ambulance to distressing scenes .

There is no debrief and no help after either .

spiritualawakening · 21/02/2024 23:51

olderbutwiser · 21/02/2024 23:49

Emergency Care Assistant - a Healthcare Assistant level clinician who can drive on blue lights. BUT in my trust they will always be paired up with a paramedic or technician/aap.

AAP/Techs are the Ginger Rogers of the ambulance service - do everything the Paramedics do but backwards and in high heels (ie without the training or the drugs).

LOL love this!
They are def amazing. I didn't know this was a thing.
How amazing.