Employers and sex offenders?

[ShouldIHaveKnown]

Should employers have made employees aware that their line manager is a convicted sex offender (downloading indecent images of children, served prison sentence and has had another conviction for similar offences)

obviously, I’ve just found out and have blocked him on my social media and I once took my child into office when collecting some equipment from him. But I don’t know how I feel about not being told, when my employers know I have young children. It just would have been nice to have been made aware? Or would they not be aware themselves? I’m really not sure how it all works in relation to who needs to know what.

I don’t really know how I’m supposed to feel about it all? I’m a bit disappointed in myself, I feel like I haven’t safeguarded my children enough. My SM is secure and I only share what I want to share with people who I know in real life, friends family ect.. but obviously that doesn’t seem to be enough. It’s made me really rethink who I have on my friends list.

Thanks all. I suppose it’s good to know that they don’t have to tell me. It’s a shame though that no one thought to mention it when I’ve been there talking about my children - but then again I’m not sure anyone else knows?! The top guys must know though as the dates overlap his employment dates.

I found out through social media. Someone had obviously received photos of letter from his therapist detailing his conviction and the affect it’s had on him. By the sounds of it not much has changed, lots of videos coming out of him being a bit too friendly with the local school girls ect.

Luckily, even though he’s my line manager, I report to another colleague and don’t have too much to do with him. Occasionally we go to him for some bigger issues but it’s not very often.

There’s no way I can leave my job. The money and flexible working is too good to leave. I won’t find anything like it locally, I was really lucky to get into this job when I did.
Maybe when both DC are in school I can look to change careers. But it’s just not feasible at the moment.

@TOM89 would rather this man did nothing then and lived off the state?

@Greensleevevssnotnose I don't want to get all Mumsnet, SJW and uptight, but how is someone's HIV status relevant for working in a call centre?

I would have thought they are not allowed to tell you.

Are you planning to leave your dc with him for work purposes?
No?
Then they have no need to tell you

What even is this comment? Of course they didn't have to disclose their HIV status in a call centre environment. Why would they? And the comparison to someone whos committed a sick crime! I'm saddened attitudes like this exist.

What the fuck are you talking about. Two completely different scenarios.

I'm sorry but this is why I feel they should be locked up permanently. Paedophiles don't change. They get better at hiding their tracks, but they don't change and there's no place in society for them.

He shouldn't be working. He shouldn't have freedom.

I'd find it hard to hold my tongue around him.

Me too.

"I found out through social media. Someone had obviously received photos of letter from his therapist detailing his conviction and the affect it’s had on him. By the sounds of it not much has changed, lots of videos coming out of him being a bit too friendly with the local school girls ect."

@ShouldIHaveKnown I think you need better proof/evidence than social media. Accounts get hacked. I had my FB account hacked and was apparently sharing and liking appalling animal cruelty videos. I was unaware of this.

Edit: and of course I wasn't liking and sharing animal cruelty videos.

I found out through social media. Someone had obviously received photos of letter from his therapist detailing his conviction and the affect it’s had on him.

That's not exactly foolproof evidence.

Are you sure that he worked at your company, and they kept his job open while he went to prison?? That sounds very odd!

sm is not secure/pcs and all devices are not secure
security theater
Security measures which are intended to, or do, provide a feeling or illusion of improved security, while doing little or nothing to actually improve security.

here they are(perv) put on a list and it is where the public
can ascess it on line or call the leos and they will find out
so such thing as giving them new names either

What?

So he got convicted of sexual offences of children , and not only did he keep his job, but the higher ups waited for him to be released from prison and return to the job?

That's some seriously fucked up morals.

I suspect there is something off with this story. That said, appropriate risk assessed employment is a good thing.

This doesn’t really make sense, I can’t imagine any employer knowing fully about this situation keeping a position open for this man. It would look really bad from a reputation standpoint. It would cost unnecessary money. If they didn’t get somebody in temporarily, I highly doubt colleagues would be happy to cover for him, and it would always be possible for someone to find out.

@ShouldIHaveKnown I am going to strongly advise you not to tell anyone in RL. Particularly do not mention it to anyone you work with.

As a pp said it could be fake and if you then tell anyone it could backfire on you.

If it’s true and you tell anyone at work it could again backfire.

I know he is the alleged perpetrator but you need to protect yourself. Keep your DC safe and do not take them into work.

If you want to raise this at work go directly to the Head/Director of HR. Show them the Social Media and say you want advice as you are not sure if it is fake or real. If it’s fake then it’s grossly unfair on your manager if it’s true what measure have been put in place. Note: unless children can be clients your employer can argue in the course of his work he only meets adults. You could be questioned why you brought your DC into work.

This doesn’t make sense.

Theres little to no chance they kept his job open. And if it was a couple of years before you started there would have still been people there who knew him when he was convicted.

How on earth did someone get hold of a letter from his therapist? And what letter was it that detailed his convictions? And who is posting the videos?

You wish they had told you not to speak about your child. How would they go about that without making it obvious.

Someone has taken photos of official documents from NHS mental health services, it’s an assessment with his details on it, full name, address. The details of his mental health due to this conviction. It includes information about where he was living when he was convicted, details of how many children he had, relationships he’s been in, marriages. It’s all things that I know to be true (except the conviction) from talking to him at work.

It’s not just a post someone has written about him, it’s photographs. It’s a legitimately NHS letter. The post also has comments from a couple of people saying they had raised this issue when he first moved to the area and that they knew he was on the sex offenders register years ago.

He’s deleted all of his social media accounts now.

And who, risking prosecution and the sack, has posted it?

Criminal records information is sensitive personal data under GDPR. So no, they are not legally permitted to tell you. It isn’t a choice!

Very odd that they continued to employ him though. Reminds me of an employer client who decided to give their employee £50k to leave the business when he was about to be jailed for child sex offences and they could have just sacked him.

Some people are just very odd.

@Noideawwhatsoccuring This is what I thought, and it was questioned on the post that he shouldn’t be posting their information like that. They just got accused of defending a sex offender 😅

I google colleagues when I start a job to check for things like this.

Yes, unfortunately the people who think there's a paedo on every corner aren't that far wrong. The difference between this one and most of them is that he got caught, of course. But odds are, many of us will work with one at some point in our lives. There isn't any practical way around that.

The post also has comments from a couple of people saying they had raised this issue when he first moved to the area and that they knew he was on the sex offenders register years ago.

So he moved to the area after the conviction? And the convictions were while working for his current company? Did he get his current job and get another conviction and prison time, and the job was kept open for him while in prison? That doesn't make any sense, how valuable can he possibly be to the company??

He’s deleted all of his social media accounts now.

Well yes, I'd imagine anyone would, regardless of the truth.

A few things:

• How on earth would someone got hold of confidential NHS information?

• Is there a possibility that this person is making it up? because they have committed a crime too by stealing confidential medical info and sharing it to the public

• Of course I would not be comfortable working with a sex offender but I would also want to make sure this isn't a witch hunt by someone who has a grudge against the manager and has created false evidence...

Also if he served a prison sentence while in this job his employer and the staff would likely know what happened already and it is bizarre that they would have kept his job opened for him.

Frankly this is a very weird situation and I would not jump to conclusion until all the facts are known.