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PIL being infuriating

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VenusClapTrap · 20/02/2024 09:52

First let me state that I like my PIL and get on well with them. We’ve known each other twenty years and have a good relationship. Right now though I just need to vent, because they can be so fucking stubborn and it’s always their way or the highway.

They are foreign and live in their home country, as do the rest of DH’s family. So we don’t see them frequently, and it always involves longish visits to make it worth it.

My aunt, who I am fond of, had an accident in December and has been in a bad way. I wanted to go and visit at Christmas, but couldn’t in the end due to accommodating DH’s family’s schedules in our trip to visit them - they couldn’t all be in the same place at once so we had to drive from one city to the next to see them all, and it made it a long trip.

My aunt lives 5 hours away from us, so not a visit I can really cram into a day, especially not if I take the dc. So I said we’d go up at Easter (we already had a holiday booked for Feb half term which removed that as an option unfortunately) and would also see other members of my extended family and old friends, all of whom are overdue a visit from us.

Then while we were over with the in laws at Christmas, BIL told DH he’d like to come and visit us at Easter, as they haven’t been over here for years. Fine. Our dc get two and half weeks at Easter, plenty of time to fit in BIL’s visit plus a visit to my family. DH then decided it would be nice for PIL and SIL to all come over for Easter too, and have a big family get together, as they hadn’t managed to get everyone in one place at Christmas. Fine. They all seemed to like the idea.

Ever since, I have been reminding DH that I need their dates so that I can plan my trip to my family. My lot are fairly flexible, but they do need some degree of notice.

It’s been like herding cats. Failing to talk to each other, constantly telling DH they’ll get back to him and then not doing, saying they can’t discuss dates yet because it’s too early, blah blah blah. SIL went lukewarm then decided not to come.

Finally, BIL booked their ferry; they are arriving on Good Friday and leaving on Easter Monday, which was what we expected. PIL suddenly started making noises about coming the week before instead, as it ‘would be easier for us not to have all of them at the same time’.

We explained to them that actually no, it’s not better for us, as we’d then be hosting continually for a week and a half, plus the dc would be at school for their visit and dh at work. Plus the whole point was to get everyone together at the same time.

BIL promised to talk to them and help corral them into coming for Easter itself, as originally planned. Time passed. They kept wriggling out of discussing it with DH.

In the end I gave up chasing and told my family we’d be visiting the weekend after Easter, from the Thursday to the Sunday. It seemed reasonable to assume that in-laws would have all gone back by then.

Now, suddenly, PIL have announced they are arriving on Easter Sunday and staying till the following weekend. They will not budge. We have said ‘this does not work for us’. We have explained that they will only cross over with BIL for less than 24hrs and there will be no time to do anything together beyond a dinner. We have pointed out that DH will be back at work on the Tuesday, and he works long hours so they’ll barely see him. DH is refusing to take time off work.

I have put my foot down and am refusing to change my visit to my family. Leave has been booked by them to accommodate us, and restaurants booked. DH suggested he skip coming with us and stay here with his parents instead.

I lost my shit. I had asked and asked and asked them to sort out these bloody dates. I abandoned visiting my side over Christmas to accommodate his side. I just want to see my family and friends as planned, with DH. I don’t think that’s unreasonable. Is it?

Now I’m the bad guy, forcing them to leave early, and they’re saying stuff like ‘oh don’t mind us, we’ll amuse ourselves and go off for day trips, we’ll take the dc to London on the Tuesday and Venus doesn’t have to come, we won’t be any bother’ etc etc. Like my issue is that I don’t want to see them. It’s infuriating.

I suppose I could try and move the visit to my family to the following week, but it would mean asking my DB and SIL to try to change the leave they’ve booked, plus I don’t like driving back the night before the dc go back to school, because then they’re going back tired. But maybe I should in the interests of maintaining the peace.

Sorry that was bloody long. I feel better for ranting anyway.

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WimpoleHat · 20/02/2024 09:57

I have put my foot down and am refusing to change my visit to my family.

Keep it down. Firmly. Repeat - “you are welcome to
cone over Easter, but we are all going away on Thursday”. “My way or the highway” people get their way because other people bend to them. Don’t. You’ve been perfectly reasonable here.

Itscatsallthewaydown · 20/02/2024 10:00

You’re being perfectly reasonable. They’re being a proper PITA.

Galeforcewindatmywindow · 20/02/2024 10:03

Stand firm now or you will still be living this nonsense for the next 20 years also. Your dh needs to accept your family are as important as his.. You have been far far too accommodating op..

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TempleOfBloom · 20/02/2024 10:11

Do not even hint that any change to your dates is remotely possible.

In truth half way through your post I was mentally yelling ‘give them YOUR dates’. Just say ‘we will be away x til y’ and let them faff and delay around that. Your mistake was waiting for them before securing your own dates.

You already compromised visiting your aunt once due to the multi-city hoo ha.

Take control.

As for now, well either your DH tells them ‘fine come, I will not be there I will be away’ or he stays with them and you go, and they do not get to see the kids.

But be definite. You and the kids will be away. That’s that.

RightOnTheEdge · 20/02/2024 10:16

Don't you dare move your dates!

Stay strong OP!

SausageAndEggSandwich · 20/02/2024 10:31

Don't move your dates!

I would have lost my shit too OP. It's so inconsiderate of them.

VenusClapTrap · 20/02/2024 10:32

Thank you for bolstering my position!

Your mistake was waiting for them before securing your own dates Yes totally. I should have been clearer at the start. Lesson learned.

The funny thing is, it’s normally PIL who want to nail down dates months in advance, and us who like to keep our options open and play things by ear. So it feels like slightly unfamiliar territory!

I do have a tendency to people please (a lot less as I’ve got older though), so I will ignore that voice on my shoulder and stand firm.

I don’t want DH to stay here while I go, because I always have to trail over to the continent with him to visit his family. Why shouldn’t he have to come with me for once? We don’t go up to my home turf very often, whereas he has the whole guilt thing from leaving his home country so he always wants to arrange stuff. Increasingly so as his parents get older.

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VenusClapTrap · 20/02/2024 10:41

I’m also annoyed with DH because he just kept saying to them ‘it’s not convenient because we have stuff to do’ instead of ‘Venus is trying to plan to visit her sick aunt’, which would have been a stronger position. I should have just spoken to them myself. But they speak another language which makes it harder, plus I prefer to leave him to deal with his family.

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LittleGreenDragons · 20/02/2024 10:44

You have accommodated everyone else for so long that now nobody sees you, or your needs. It's time to start making noises and continue making those noises for the rest of your life. You matter.

Personally I would seriously think about a couple of options. The first is to only host his family the same few days as BIL short weekend. Just muddle through the chaos. The second is my favoured - after BIL leaves you leave. DH has to shop, cook, wash up, entertain, clean, after his family for the entire time. He can also start on the bed laundry so you don't have to. Go and enjoy a relaxing and enjoyable time with yours. I can guarantee DH will join you the next time you go, he will absolutely hate hosting his parents by himself for days on end😉

TempleOfBloom · 20/02/2024 10:47

I would also stop trailing around the continent. Do one core PIL visit, then retire to a restful villa with pool and let your DH go trailing off if he must, or they come to you.

You need a serious calm conversation with your DH about this whole situation.

VenusClapTrap · 20/02/2024 10:51

The first is to only host his family the same few days as BIL short weekend. Just muddle through the chaos This was the original plan! This was what they were invited to do! We have space. Chaos is fine. It’s PIL who suddenly decided on our behalf that they should spread things out.

a villa with a pool - ha, if only. Sadly it’s not that kind of country.

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VenusClapTrap · 20/02/2024 10:58

DH wouldn’t hate hosting his parents on his own. MIL would do all the cooking, cleaning, laundry and rearranging my kitchen to her liking and DH would revel in being looked after like a prince. I don’t do that!

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BroughttoyoubyBerocca · 20/02/2024 11:02

Can you you and DH go as planned? Leave your in laws alone at yours?

VenusClapTrap · 20/02/2024 11:08

Could do. I don’t have to physically kick them out. It seems pointless them being here though.

Although they could feed the animals and save me getting someone in to do that!

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Newbalancebeam · 20/02/2024 11:46

Make sure DH doesn’t wriggle out of coming with you. I can see where this is heading. He’ll get a lovely week with his family and you’ll be lumbered with the DC and driving and so on. He does not get to abandon you for them when they’ve messed up the dates.

SallyWD · 20/02/2024 12:03

What an absolute nightmare! I completely understand your frustration and they're being a real pain.
However I think in the circumstances I'd go without my husband and leave him at home with the in-laws. I suppose I say this because I sometimes visit my own family without DH and it's actually quite nice. My family get to see me alone (or rather me and the kids) rather than me being part of a couple. I also meet up with old friends who live near my parents. Without DH being there I don't have to feel guilty about him being bored while I meet old friends. I don't know what the dynamic is like with your siblings, but me and my siblings like to share old jokes and talk about old times. Sometimes I worry it's not very interesting for DH to talk about events he wasn't part of and people he doesn't know. For this reason I think it's sometimes (not always) quite nice to see your family without your spouse.

DottieMoon · 20/02/2024 12:16

You need to stand firm on this!

Keep to your original dates and yes your DH needs to come with you, as you said, why is it ok for you to go to his family but he doesn't gets out of it with you. Your DH needs to grow a back done and say no to his parents.

You are not being unreasonable at all, everyone else is!

VenusClapTrap · 20/02/2024 12:40

DH will definitely push for staying here with his parents. And yes, it is nice to sometimes see my family without him - I’ve done that a few times. But this whole situation has irritated me so much that I just think no, he can bloody well come along, get bored sitting in my cousin’s kitchen smiling politely like I get bored sitting around listening to his family chat when we visit them.

If he stays here with PIL, it will just reinforce their mindset that their convenience comes first, that DH will accommodate their wishes, and I’m the awkward one.

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MostlyHappyMummy · 20/02/2024 12:47

Well if your husband stays back with his parents then I think it would be fair to refuse to go to see his family with him again
but sadly, women never do the fair thing - they always do what works for the men

Triffid1 · 20/02/2024 12:56

Well, this could have been me, sort of, a few years ago. Not quite to this level of batshittery, but similar issues where DH's family would say they were visiting, but no dates were ever given in advance and it was never discussed with us. For a long time, Dh didn't really see the issue. But then we had kids and had to start making proper plans. And to give him his due, he got it then.

His dad's FIRST visit to us, EVER... we weren't here for 5 of the days? Why? Because no one had told us he was planning to come (and after 20 years of him NOT coming, you can't blame us for not exactly expecting it). So we planned a trip with my family. There was a brief effort to get us to change our plans - hell no.

Similarly, in the past with MIL where Dh would be asking me if we could reschedule things or not wanting to commit to things "in case" his mum was here.

We don't do that anymore. we just get on with our lives and if they can't and won't tell us what their plans are, we make our own.

DO NOT CAVE. And no, your DH does not get to insult and upset your family by choosing not to come.

TempleOfBloom · 20/02/2024 15:20

VenusClapTrap · 20/02/2024 12:40

DH will definitely push for staying here with his parents. And yes, it is nice to sometimes see my family without him - I’ve done that a few times. But this whole situation has irritated me so much that I just think no, he can bloody well come along, get bored sitting in my cousin’s kitchen smiling politely like I get bored sitting around listening to his family chat when we visit them.

If he stays here with PIL, it will just reinforce their mindset that their convenience comes first, that DH will accommodate their wishes, and I’m the awkward one.

Have that serious talk with him, tell him all this, and if he stays put while you do your family visit then you will indeed be the awkward one and never again traipse round his relatives. May as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb.

Bloody hell, all he has to do is say "I will be away at that time, please come as originally agreed when BIL is here".

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