Meet the Other Phone. Flexible and made to last.

Meet the Other Phone.
Flexible and made to last.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Chat

Join the discussion and chat with other Mumsnetters about everyday life, relationships and parenting.

Autistic teen ds hurt me, help me explain this clearly.

12 replies

Theothername · 15/02/2024 19:06

Ds has shot up in the last couple of months and is stronger than he realises. We were goofing around today. He was upset that his bottle broke and despite his best efforts wasn’t fixable and was discussing with me the possibility of suing the manufacturer for emotional distress 🙄 and I was trying to lighten up the moment by advising him to let it go. I pulled up the Frozen song on my mobile, which he snatched out of my hand, to turn off and I said I’d have to sing it then. All just a bit of silliness.

Then he kind of grabbed my face from behind, to “gag” me, and I instinctively stepped forward, so now he was sort of yanking my neck backwards. He didn’t stop when I told him to. I had to give him a finger jab to the thigh to break his hold.

It was the kind of goofy play that 6 weeks ago would have turned into a hug but now has got dangerous. And obviously I need to be mindful about winding him up too.

But my neck and shoulder hurts now. I told him, calmly, that it crossed a line, that I wasn’t mad, and understood he wasn’t trying to hurt me but he’s stronger than he looks.

I’d really like some advice on how to handle this, preferably from people with some experience or awareness of neurodiversity. He has asd, adhd and a strongly pda profile. I need a succinct rule that takes a no more than a couple of phrases to say. And I need to get it right first time. I also don’t want to trigger a pda response or I’ll be unpicking it for years.

He’s a good kid, with a lot of restraint, but since hitting puberty he’s very angry and wants to go nuclear when things go wrong or he’s dealing with a perceived injustice. He’s a bit handsy though. He’s not good at moderating touch - he can be rougher/stronger than he realises or intends. He can be both hyper- and hyposensitive to touch, aversive to hugs or unexpected touch. He can misinterpret an accidental jostle as an attack. And he’s a kid that has an invisible “mug me” sign on his head

I’m in two minds whether to tell dh about this because I can predict dh’s response will be a bit heavy handed and I don’t think there was any bad intent. From ds’ perspective the problem was that I stepped forward instead of staying still/or moving backwards. He wasn’t trying to wrench me- he was stopping me singing.

But I also don’t want to be covering up for him! or making excuses. (I don’t think I am?) My aunt was in a long term abusive relationship with her ds, protecting him even though he put her in hospital and financially abused and terrorised her. I’m trying not to catastrophise here, but it’s also important that I handle this well. Up to now I’ve had the upper hand in terms of physical size. But that’s changing. And this incident has shaken me a bit.

Whatever I say next will has the potential to be an absolute rule, applied in every single situation.

OP posts:
Andthereyougo · 15/02/2024 19:13

You agree to make a no touching rule unless you ask first? So in future if he’s upset you say would you like a hug.
I think you need to look for the escalation cues too. Snatching your phone was the time to call stop, not say you’d sing.
Even before then with him saying about complaining about his water bottle I’d have just said yes you could try that and left it there.

Theothername · 15/02/2024 19:21

@Andthereyougo thanks for that suggestion.

I’m definitely aware that I contributed to this situation. I can be more mindful about this but there will be lots of provocative or escalating situations in life that he needs to be able to handle.

no touching unless you ask first is great. But how do I talk about other people touching him without asking (which realistically happens a lot, eg just going on a train).

OP posts:
Feralgremlin · 15/02/2024 19:22

Hi OP, sister to an ASD brother who is 6ft6 and 20+ stone here! I know my parents had similar issues when he was younger as he was so big and strong for his age. They implemented “stop means stop”. It didn’t matter the context, the action, whether it was rough housing or an outburst of anger, if someone shouted stop it meant stop, and if it wasn’t followed there was a consequence. This worked well for everything apart from his posturing when he was in his mid teens (puffing his chest out and trying to seem intimidating) which seemed to be mostly directed at my tiny mum, at that point my dad just had to step in and be really firm, it was very much a “if I catch you doing that again you’ll be out” type thing but it worked.

He still needs to be reminded even now that he’s in his 30s, we occasionally still roughhouse and he will very occasionally take it too far.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about this subject:

WASZPy · 15/02/2024 19:22

As @Andthereyougo says, I would implement a never touch without asking rule.

I teach autistic children and this is a hard and fast rule across the setting- because of the hyper/hyposensitivity thing and the difficulties they have interpreting each others' social intentions.

Theothername · 15/02/2024 19:24

@Feralgremlin I definitely need to work on stop means stop. That’s been a challenge for years.

OP posts:
Theothername · 15/02/2024 19:27

@WASZPy how do you handle situations where someone is touched? He struggles a lot with the perceived injustice of one rule for him situations.

we’ve done a lot of work around intention - accidental versus deliberate etc. and I think that’s what’s he’s feeding back to me here. He had no bad intention.

OP posts:
Trisolaris · 15/02/2024 19:27

I agree with the stop means stop no matter what the circumstances approach. For PDA I find making it clear how it feels for me without blaming them or questioning their intent is important. They need to understand how you felt in that moment and why whilst not feeling blamed for it.

Theothername · 15/02/2024 19:32

Stop means stop no matter what

(highlighting* *so I can find these easily)

@Trisolaris agree on that approach for pda.

OP posts:
WASZPy · 15/02/2024 19:33

I would just say 'keep your hands and body to yourself' to the person who had done the touching.

At home, you shouldn't really have a problem managing not to touch each other.

In terms of on the train etc, I'd just say it's our rule, other people don't know it, if you don't want to be touched make sure you look for space.

kitchenplans · 15/02/2024 21:48

Theothername · 15/02/2024 19:27

@WASZPy how do you handle situations where someone is touched? He struggles a lot with the perceived injustice of one rule for him situations.

we’ve done a lot of work around intention - accidental versus deliberate etc. and I think that’s what’s he’s feeding back to me here. He had no bad intention.

Sorry no direct experience of autism, but presumably you can easily work the accidental v deliberate into "Stop means Stop". The whole justification being that if someone is saying "Stop!" then it's hurting them/not nice for them, regardless of whether that is accidental or deliberate. So he needs to stop, even if it's accidental, because he wouldn't want to, and it's not OK to hurt someone or do something to them that they don't like.

And "Stop means Stop" is a rule for everyone, surely?

ToryHater · 30/03/2024 19:37

To be fair to him OP, you really didnt read the room , did you. If your child is distressed about something you dont wind them up further as you did with your frozen song!! Especially not a child with autism.

NannyMogg · 30/03/2024 19:44

Even though he's a teen could you create a social story to encapsulate the rule? Or a poster with that kind of approach?

New posts on this thread. Refresh page