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Cultural differences Scotland and England

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CauleyMacGlochlin · 11/02/2024 15:14

So surprised to see on a recent thread that in England secondary school pupils are often not allowed out of school for lunch until 6th form, which Google tells me means 16-18. I'm gobsmacked. I've never heard of anything like this in Scotland and I've lived all over the country (grew up in Glasgow and moved around in adulthood)

I also recently discovered that English school pupils can't leave education at 16. They have to stay in education til 18 unless they have an apprenticeship.

Got me thinking about cultural differences between the countries that I've maybe been oblivious all this time. Any others?

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Northernsouloldies · 11/02/2024 20:09

Nugget NE Scotland, I don't recall any other 70s kids asking for a bar o noogaa. 😁

MaggieBroonofGlebeSt · 11/02/2024 20:10

CauleyMacGlochlin · 11/02/2024 20:06

@MaggieBroonofGlebeSt

By the way I speak three languages other than English. One of them being French!

But I'm Scottish and grew up speaking a certain way. I'm not changing that now because someone thinks I'm thick.

Do what you like. But I am Scottish too; and no one I know calls it that.
I think that proves that there are variations everywhere.

NotASasquatch · 11/02/2024 20:11

*I've been listening to a podcast recently where they were walking about fish suppers / fish and chips, and apparently in England the fish will usually have the skin on?! I would be horrified if I bought a fish supper and the (battered) fish had skin on - would defeat the purpose of it for me! 😂
Nah that’s complete bollocks.

It’s true in some areas but it seems to depend on which fish you order. I’ve ordered it in Devon a number of times and each time they left the skin on haddock but cod didn’t have any. Personally I don’t understand the appeal of leaving the skin on unless it’s something like sea bass with crispy skin.

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SummerDays2020 · 11/02/2024 20:12

Itslegitimatesalvage · 11/02/2024 16:53

Walking home from school too. I’m in Scotland and after P1 (so P2 onwards) the kids are just let out at home time and you can be there to get them or they can walk
home themselves or with siblings or friends. It’s up to you. The schools don’t make rules on letting the kids leave or walk home from a specific age. I keep seeing on here that kids in England aren’t allowed to leave without a parent until they get to P4/P5 age at least.

It tends to be from 9 some DC walk home. At DD's Primary you had to give written permission for them to walk home alone and if you were picking them up they still got handed over to you right up to Y6. It's probably just what I'm used to but I don't like the idea of P2 (6 yos?) just let out with no one checking they are with a parent. Just seems very alien! But I guess our way seems overprotective to you?

helpfulperson · 11/02/2024 20:15

We have squooshy cream instead of squirty cream.

TodayForTomorrow · 11/02/2024 20:16

I live in the north of England and I use the phrase 'doing some messages' to mean general errands.

SummerDays2020 · 11/02/2024 20:17

CauleyMacGlochlin · 11/02/2024 17:07

@x2boys

We don't have Grammar schools in the vast majority of England either despite what mumsnet would lead up to beleive ,most of them closed in the 70,s

😲 I didn't know this!

We still have them here. Really affects things. You have these amazing grammar schools (and church schools) and then the comprehensives are rubbish.

Itslegitimatesalvage · 11/02/2024 20:17

SummerDays2020 · 11/02/2024 20:12

It tends to be from 9 some DC walk home. At DD's Primary you had to give written permission for them to walk home alone and if you were picking them up they still got handed over to you right up to Y6. It's probably just what I'm used to but I don't like the idea of P2 (6 yos?) just let out with no one checking they are with a parent. Just seems very alien! But I guess our way seems overprotective to you?

Very over protective. I’m always a little “eh” when I read stuff on here about kids walking home and how protective you all are, and how you wouldn’t let your 10 year olds sit in a cafe alone or go down the shop with their friends alone etc. We let ours out all the time from a young age!

CauleyMacGlochlin · 11/02/2024 20:17

helpfulperson · 11/02/2024 20:15

We have squooshy cream instead of squirty cream.

And our clothes get bumfled

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SummerDays2020 · 11/02/2024 20:21

Snowsp · 11/02/2024 17:10

So you don't know anyone who'd have a small beer or wine with lunch then drive? I'm not a big drinker at all and this might be all I drink. But I think this is totally normal and real common.

That's what people are talking about, not drinking loads and driving.

Yes, I understand. No, alcohol can still affect you even just one glass. I don't know anyone who would drink and drive. Years ago, yeah my dad might have a half and drive but not now.

Wisenotboring · 11/02/2024 20:21

I'm English but went to university in Scotland. There were loads of little differences I noticed. I liked it.
Macaroni pies bean pies, a 'play piece' to eat mid-morning at school, a press, a fish supper, widespread ceildh dancing amongst the young, 16 year old at University, lorne sausage...
Loads more. I'm enjoying the trip down memory lane

Salaaaaaaaah · 11/02/2024 20:22

Kwam31 · 11/02/2024 16:32

There's another fairly long thread on this and my main annoyance is the faux ignorance by English (maybe SW) that they've never heard of very common things to do with Scotland, yet likewise are astonished that everyone aren't experts on London.
Particularly a phrase or word that is very easily figured out but you get the 'oh I've no clue what that can mean'

To be fair London is a global city. The place is swamped with landmarks/famous locations/events, probably more than anywhere else in the world (edging out Rome and Paris given the Anglo centric nature of the globe). Those commemorative blue plaques are everywhere. I was walking down a random street in London recently and within half a mile came across two major sites in popular culture (a film studio, and an art college which three very famous musicians attended...plaques on both buildings)...and this was 7 miles outside the centre of the city as in closer there are even more of these. Here's just one example of the history of the place.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Blue_plaque,_Tabard_Inn.jpg

File:Blue plaque, Tabard Inn.jpg - Wikimedia Commons

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Blue_plaque,_Tabard_Inn.jpg

Wisenotboring · 11/02/2024 20:23

I also discovered plain bread and tablet

Garlicdoughball · 11/02/2024 20:24

Itslegitimatesalvage · 11/02/2024 20:17

Very over protective. I’m always a little “eh” when I read stuff on here about kids walking home and how protective you all are, and how you wouldn’t let your 10 year olds sit in a cafe alone or go down the shop with their friends alone etc. We let ours out all the time from a young age!

My DCs (Scottish) primary school wouldn’t have been happy with kids below aged 8 walking home alone or being left in the playground. I know this for sure because we’d get reminders from the school about it.

SummerDays2020 · 11/02/2024 20:25

Seymour5 · 11/02/2024 17:10

Tablet, very sweet, a rare treat when I was a kid in Scotland. I’ve been in the North of England for 2/3 of my life, 50 years, and I still say ‘the back of’ to my family. Messages, I stopped saying that a long time ago. I had sandshoes as a child, my kids in England in the 80s, had pumps. Fizzy drinks were called lemonade. Flavours or plain. Here, it’s pop.

I can buy morning rolls at a local bakery, and we always have homemade soup in the winter. The fish suppers in Scotland take a lot of beating, and I’ve never seen white pudding (which I used to enjoy) in a chippy here.

I just googled a morning roll - it looks like a crusty roll - type you might use for a bacon roll?

Wisenotboring · 11/02/2024 20:25

On a more serious note, I had no idea how partisan parts of Scotland are in terms of Catholic and protestant. It's something I associated with northern Ireland, but not elsewhere

Garlicdoughball · 11/02/2024 20:28

Wisenotboring · 11/02/2024 20:21

I'm English but went to university in Scotland. There were loads of little differences I noticed. I liked it.
Macaroni pies bean pies, a 'play piece' to eat mid-morning at school, a press, a fish supper, widespread ceildh dancing amongst the young, 16 year old at University, lorne sausage...
Loads more. I'm enjoying the trip down memory lane

No one does carb-on-carb like the Scots. There is no meal too carby for the question “Chips with that?” to be deemed inappropriate.

SummerDays2020 · 11/02/2024 20:28

x2boys · 11/02/2024 17:23

This us the same in English schools too
When my now 17 year old son was at primary school.he waa ink handed over in nursary and reception
The rest if of the years there was an expectation that the parent would be in the playground to meet them.

Not at my DD's Primary - handed over to an adult unless the DC had written permission to walk home.

SummerDays2020 · 11/02/2024 20:29

Jellycatspyjamas · 11/02/2024 17:28

Safeguarding, OP. They're perfectly happy, eating lunch, hanging with mates, playing footie, going to the library or lunchtime clubs or whatever.

I’d hope 12, 13, 14 year olds can find their way to a shop for lunch and back without loss or injury, there would have been a riot if they’d tried to keep students in school at my Scottish high school. I remember with fondness going to my friends house during free periods in 5th year. Jamaica ginger cake and coffee watching whatever crap daytime tv.

What about the SEN kids?

Doublenoogahsilvousplait · 11/02/2024 20:30

@Garlicdoughball

God yeh, roll and fritter, macaroni cheese with chips and garlic bread, pizza crunch and chips, roll and tattie scone.

Garlicdoughball · 11/02/2024 20:31

Tablet is absolutely fucking rank imo. Like some fudge making tight arse decided to skimp on the butter.

”Tab-let” or “tab-lay” ? 🤔

Doublenoogahsilvousplait · 11/02/2024 20:32

Garlicdoughball · 11/02/2024 20:31

Tablet is absolutely fucking rank imo. Like some fudge making tight arse decided to skimp on the butter.

”Tab-let” or “tab-lay” ? 🤔

How dare you! Tableaux is divine. Fudge is claggy. Tableaux is all lovely and gritty and sandy.

Mmmm....

SummerDays2020 · 11/02/2024 20:33

CauleyMacGlochlin · 11/02/2024 17:32

Absolutely. What do they do with their free periods? Sit in school and study?!

Dear god. They should be out causing mischief.

At my secondary (grammar) you didn't get free periods. In Y11 we were allowed to hang out in our form room. We'd get our lunch from the canteen and just hang out. I have really fond memories of sitting on the grass sunbathing in the summer drinking a can of fizzy drink!

SummerDays2020 · 11/02/2024 20:34

Awumminnscotland · 11/02/2024 17:33

Do you have church schools in Scotland? 🤣
Not being funny but this, this is a huge cultural difference especially in the west.

I'm, sorry I don't understand what you mean.

Garlicdoughball · 11/02/2024 20:34

My DD has driving lessons in her free periods.