How do you approach/deal with a teacher who shouts to get the classes attention?

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I have a child who is displaying signs of emotional immaturity, neuro-diversity etc. They are in the process of being assessed/receiving EHCP. We are getting them to school but not in every lesson. Several teachers are very shouty and this destroys their confidence. They are not being shouted at - the class is, but from a sensory and emotional point of view they can’t stand it. SENCO/pastoral care are helping but as a parent would you raise any issues directly with the teachers to help them understand how their shouting is undermining all the work we are doing to get our child into school/lessons? I am obviously and clearly biased but could do with an unemotional response as to how I can help to resolve this. They actually went into school ok today but have come home very upset and now not wanting to go in tomorrow. An adult would not stand being shouted at in the workplace - why do children have to endure this? Please be kind as I am very upset and just want a happy child to go into school as best they can without being afraid of their teachers.

Every child deserves an education that will end up with them doing as well as their capabilities will allow.

Your DD needs ear defenders, she may not like the thought of being othered but I think there are some very small discreet ones now. My friend that teaches in secondary but is looking to retrain as she has had enough says that the lower the set the more rowdy the class.

This is the outcome of inclusion, children with very different additional needs being mixed together. Baroness Warnock who was instrumental in influencing inclusion in schools after her report was published in the late 1970’s admitted inclusion in mainstream schools has failed.

😮there is no ‘pyramid’ they are all disabilities. It’s attitudes like yours that caused my dd to self harm.

Bet that’s at the bottom of your ‘pyramid’

Where would major depressive disorder fall on your pyramid? Non visible but high risk of death?

But all other disabilities need consideration too. That’s why The Equalities Act exists.

My Dd self harmed because of attitudes like yours. How come she doesn’t count as someone ‘vulnurable to extreme injury?’ A and E seemed to think it was an extreme injury.

Fortunately they don’t have a ‘pyramid’

I don’t believe an individual’s sensory issue should come before appropriately managing a class of 30 children.

This thread is an utter binfire of ableism
shameful

Isn’t it just just?!

But it’s ok to make adjustments for those who don’t learn as fast, those who have dyslexia, those who have migraines, those who have genetic conditions. Those with anger issues or those with dyscalcula. Those with diabetes, or those with pain issues.

But not OK for someone with sensory issues?🙄Why are they less important or less dangerous?

I spent 25 years as a teacher. You have to adjust by law and schools are usually pretty hot on it. I had to. Including those with panic attacks, depression, anxiety, ADHD, ASD. It’s what teachers do.

Wow that’s an awful lot of words put in my mouth that I didn’t even allude to.

I'm sure some posters would change their tune if it was their child that was "at the bottom of the pyramid "
uugghh
utterly shameful

You claimed sensory issues should be ignored. But they are a disability just like everything l
listed.

Gosh, I have no idea what has been deleted by mumsnet but I can guess the comments. I am not a teacher hater. We have worked so well with all my child’s teachers over the past 18 months. They have been amazing! Even the one I have posted about up until this week bar a few issues that we have overcome. They clearly had a bad day and forgot about any SENDCO kids in their class. But it negatively affected my daughter who refused to go in again today. Thank you for all your suggestions - some we have done ie solo catch ups which worked brilliantly so my child saw them as an actual person, not just a scary teacher, some I hadn’t thought about and the ear buds are on order! Every teacher bar this one teaches without shouting. It’s a delight to see. Authoritative is fine. My child understands and respects this. Not a complete rage at a class. That I don’t accept. We are working on this to see if she can change class and in the interim using discreet signs of anxiety to show how she is being affected. Please don’t think I am against teachers. I am not. I will fully support you re naughtiness in class. SENCO issues are different. If my child isn’t being naughty send them out and then deal with the troublemakers - tgey don’t mind shouting. sENCO kids do and take it home with them, so N added burden for that evening and tge next day.

I am disabled, so understand some problems, but years ago, when I was at school, teachers always yelled.

Its part of school life.

If schools were designed to meet the needs of the students with the highest level of needs, everyone would benefit. Schools were designed to meet the needs of the 19th century economy but we’re in the 21st century and our economy is heavily dependent on the skills that tend to go hand in hand with neurodiverse minds. The techies, entrepreneurs, content creators and performers are highly skewed towards asd and adhd. We are in the middle of an AI revolution that will see many middle class professions affected and those that can program the AIs and those that can pivot easily, and those who can take AI generated material and springboard from it are going to be essential to our economy.

Losing these kids through the cracks of a not-fit-for-purpose educational system is going to cost us in the long run.

Teachers need better schools, better systems, more support, smaller ratios and better training. And yes, it would cost a lot more. But if we used money for the good of everybody instead of siphoning it off for the profits of the few, there would be more than enough.

It’s not years ago. Most teachers support their class in other ways that work. They don’t shout. All bar one of my children’s teachers don’t shout. Just one one a bad day. And I’m not accepting this as an excuse. Thankful neither is my child’s SENCO team.

Just one one a bad day. And I’m not accepting this as an excuse.

Heaven forbid teachers are human and occasionally fuck up. Berating the teacher online and complaining to the SENCO is definitely going to help with a one off mistake.....

For all the arguments around disability, sensory issues etc I do think there is some onus on the individual experiencing sensitivity to take steps to minimise the incoming noise/feeling etc.

Earplugs are a perfect example.

I'm hearing impaired, I don't expect everyone to be louder, instead I wear a hearing aid.

@Hercisback one bad day and a life time effect on a child? Teachers are adults and supposed to be professional. Thankfully you don’t teach at my child’s school.

One bad day isn't the thing that has caused the lifetime effect though is it?

Yes we are professional, but too we are human, just like your child.

You can't undo the shouting. Just like the teacher can't rewind the day. We all do less than perfect things under a lot of stress and a background of underfunding and mainstream being unsuitable for many.

Give your child ear plugs and have some understanding of a classroom environment.

@Hercisback one bad day and a life time effect on a child? Teachers are adults and supposed to be professional. Thankfully you don’t teach at my child’s school.

Interesting. Would you like to work in a job where if one day you get a bit exasperated and raise your voice, you would risk being accused of having 'a lifetime effect on a child'? I wonder why it's so hard to recruit and retain teachers these days

If you are expecting perfection from teachers every day of their career, you can look forward to your child being taught entirely by AI.

How much do you think we would need to raise to overhaul the system, and where would it come from? Just interested in the numbers.

Not all ND minds are into tech….

I’ll stick to the point in my post and not anything more thanks. Most recent posters have gone way off track.