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Panorama: Midwives

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OpalsOriginals · 29/01/2024 20:36

Anyone else watching?

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OpalsOriginals · 29/01/2024 20:36

how have we got to this? Terrifying for all involved 😥

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cinnamonbiscuit · 29/01/2024 21:49

I've had two DC in Gloucester Royal in the last two years and while we all came out relatively unscathed, there were certainly many dubious things that went on. The critically low staffing levels were apparent when I had my second last August.

I feel awful for anyone who's experienced a tragedy but also so sorry for the staff who have to work in these conditions.

cinnamonbiscuit · 29/01/2024 21:51

Sorry, in the last four years, I meant to say!

FruitBat53 · 29/01/2024 22:11

I feel irrationally angry at this programme. All 4 of my wonderful grandchildren were born there, and they saved the life of my DD and grandchild when she had a placental abruption. She was in HDU for 48 hours which was terrifying but the staff were incredible.

Thousands of babies are born there without issue and every maternity unit in the UK is short staffed. I have no idea why GRH was picked on like this.

Thelazygardener · 29/01/2024 22:18

GRH is a shithole. Dirty, understaffed, dangerous. Gave birth there 7 months ago, first baby and after that experience….my only baby, who is lucky to still be here after appalling aftercare. Maternity services are broken, unfortunately I don’t know what the alternative or solution is. Terribly sad.

LightSpeeds · 29/01/2024 22:19

cinnamonbiscuit · 29/01/2024 21:49

I've had two DC in Gloucester Royal in the last two years and while we all came out relatively unscathed, there were certainly many dubious things that went on. The critically low staffing levels were apparent when I had my second last August.

I feel awful for anyone who's experienced a tragedy but also so sorry for the staff who have to work in these conditions.

I had mine in Gloucester Royal over 20 years ago and there were problems THEN. But it's unbelievable how very badly downhill things have gone since then.

The news about Cheltenham's maternity unit today was just awful. My heart goes out to the poor families who lost their babies.

m00ngirl · 29/01/2024 22:38

So so so sad and hard to watch. That beautiful baby Margot looked like such a beautiful healthy girl, and yet she only had hours alive. I was in tears, I cannot even begin to imagine the agony her mum went through and must live with. I can't think of anything worse... can't get my head around it.

Thank god PPs came out of there unscathed!

blushroses6 · 29/01/2024 22:47

“picked on”. How pathetic, babies have died due to poor care. Plenty of other trusts have been scrutinised too, as they should be.

Journeytosober · 29/01/2024 23:02

FruitBat53 · 29/01/2024 22:11

I feel irrationally angry at this programme. All 4 of my wonderful grandchildren were born there, and they saved the life of my DD and grandchild when she had a placental abruption. She was in HDU for 48 hours which was terrifying but the staff were incredible.

Thousands of babies are born there without issue and every maternity unit in the UK is short staffed. I have no idea why GRH was picked on like this.

They haven’t been picked on. At the start of the programme it explains that the trust needs help and they’ve agreed to talk. If all of the other hospitals did this rather than hide in their management towers then more action may be taken. I think they should be praised for speaking out, what is effectively once again the governments mistake by depleting budgets and funding. One child or mothers life lost to staff shortages is unforgivable

Festivemoose · 29/01/2024 23:03

FruitBat53 · 29/01/2024 22:11

I feel irrationally angry at this programme. All 4 of my wonderful grandchildren were born there, and they saved the life of my DD and grandchild when she had a placental abruption. She was in HDU for 48 hours which was terrifying but the staff were incredible.

Thousands of babies are born there without issue and every maternity unit in the UK is short staffed. I have no idea why GRH was picked on like this.

You don’t understand why they are being “picked on”?!

I should think it’s probably something to do with the avoidable baby deaths, or the seven women that died under their care (twice the UK average).

OpalsOriginals · 30/01/2024 16:03

Just awful. I can’t imagine how pregnant women local to there are feeling

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Cotswoldmama · 30/01/2024 17:25

I haven't watched it yet but my first was premmie born at 31w 3ds I had him at Gloucester Royal and they were amazing. This was nearly 11 years ago now and my experience is more of the scooby neo natal department but I was in labour for about 5 days before I gave birth and I had a private room for those days and a midwife in with me for about 80% of the time. I was well informed the whole time and my labour was as good as it could have been seeing as it was a prem birth. There were about 10 healthcare professionals in the room whilst I was in labour and one of them massaged my back with essential oils. At the birth I was quickly allowed to see my son before he was whisked away. The a nurse came to help me to syringe some colostrum to give to him a soon as they could. I was the able to clean up and get showered whilst they hooked him up to everything and then I was wheelchaired up to see him as soon as I could. Everything on the scooby nicu was so good. So much support with breastfeeding and using the breastpumps, there was a breastfeeding support group and then before we left the transitional care was excellent.

Cotswoldmama · 30/01/2024 17:51

I've just watched it, all those poor families, I can't imagine what they went though.

Gia79 · 30/01/2024 18:39

Those poor families… It’s my worst nightmare.

It’s good to hear some PPs’ positive stories about the hospital - especially for those who are going to give birth there and are reading this. BUT one death is one too many and when it’s much higher than the average, as is the case here, of course they should be under scrutiny. It’s not picking on them. Please watch the show and/or know the actual statistics before saying the scrutiny is unfair. Of course the avoidable death of babies and mothers makes me very sad and angry more than anything else but, after this, I am also dismayed that, once again, it’s a women’s area of healthcare and female dominated profession that has these massive issues.

LightSpeeds · 30/01/2024 18:50

I had all my babies (5) at Gloucester a few decades ago. At that time, I remember having one or two midwives with me most of the time I was in labour. I couldn't criticise the care I got and how wonderful the midwives were.

How have things got to a point where, now, there might only be two midwives staffing a whole ward on a night shift.

Aaaalrightythen · 30/01/2024 18:53

Oh dear, I've only just watched Catching A Copper which was absolutely horrific.

Not sure I can cope with an investigation into NHS as well Sad

Bloody Tories and austerity.

Unwisebutnotillegal · 30/01/2024 21:33

I think there are a lot of maternity units flying by the seat of their pants. My friend who was a midwife in the third world now works as an assistant in our local hospital and she say it is worse here as the women don’t have anyone with them. Whereas in Kenya they’d have their equivalent of a doula then a midwife at the end.

Wolfiefan · 30/01/2024 21:48

I gave birth at GLOS Royal in 09. Speedy delivery and wanted to get out of there ASAP. I was moved to Stroud once discharged. It transpired that someone had signed off that they had given me anti D in Glos Royal but hadn’t done so. The dose was found in their fridge. Obviously DD and I were fine and I didn’t actually want any more children.
But the whole place has long been a disorganised mess.

Mariposistaaa · 31/01/2024 09:30

My friend was a nurse for 25 years as GRH (not in midwifery) and had her own son there and she was treated brilliantly. She had a hard time having him but not due to the hospital’s fault.

Spiderzed · 31/01/2024 09:36

I didn't think the programme was that good to be honest as it seemed to focus more on the incompetence of 2 midwives than the systematic issues that are causing the highest maternal mortality rate in over 20 years across the country. Don't get me wrong, complaints and concerns not being taken seriously are a big issue and should be addressed; but it seemed to reduce it to this rather than acknowledging everything else going on.

Maternity care is dire right now, it's dangerous and babies and mums are needlessly dying, this isn't to scare people but we should all be up in arms and outraged at the destruction of maternity services. It's not the fault of the vast majority of midwives who are stretched beyond their limits, but it's terrifying and as an ex midwife I wouldn't give birth in the NHS now for millions of pounds.

ThirdAidKit · 31/01/2024 09:50

I’m currently pregnant and have no choice obviously but to give birth - those who are midwives - what can I do to make sure I get the best outcome for my birth in these circumstances?

I’m pretty terrified to be honest.

Thelazygardener · 31/01/2024 10:07

ThirdAidKit · 31/01/2024 09:50

I’m currently pregnant and have no choice obviously but to give birth - those who are midwives - what can I do to make sure I get the best outcome for my birth in these circumstances?

I’m pretty terrified to be honest.

Hiya, I’ll start by saying I am not a midwife….but I have recently had a baby in the hospital covered by Panorama. ( Caesarian required for pregnancy complications)

Is this your first baby? Mine was and in hindsight, medically there wasn’t very much that I could change. But my expectations for the level of support and care I would receive were far from what was given, I was very naive. I can’t fault the actual birth and Caesarian, they were great….once we got in there after being plonked in a side room and forgotten about initially.

In the shock of having a newborn and my passive nature anyway I didn’t like to ask for additional help,to ring the buzzer, to call for anything I needed or to remind them of things because I felt like an inconvenience. I never received my post surgery checks, my baby was low birth weight and they missed so much with him, I had heavy blood loss and transfusions and they forgot to do the extra check ins. Catheter forgotten about which resulted in a UTI, I was covered in blood for the 24 hours while I was in hospital too.

These failings weren’t down to the actual midwives, they were rushed off their feet and chronically understaffed and so those patients who shouted the loudest got the care basically. I saw midwives being called or buzzed by other patients while they were trying to work through rounds….then those rounds were never being completed and therefore aspects of aftercare not received.

My only advice is to really advocate for yourself, and better still if your DP/DH is with you they need to advocate for you if you can’t, make sure they know exactly what you want so they can speak for you if necessary. Don’t be afraid to call for help, or buzz, or say if you think something isn’t right. If you need call for help 15 times in the day or night, do it, don’t sit and wait or struggle. It’s really unfortunate that the situation is the way it is but the staff genuinely do care and try their best they are just pulled from pillar to post.

Congratulations and I hope all goes well!

Spiderzed · 31/01/2024 10:27

ThirdAidKit · 31/01/2024 09:50

I’m currently pregnant and have no choice obviously but to give birth - those who are midwives - what can I do to make sure I get the best outcome for my birth in these circumstances?

I’m pretty terrified to be honest.

Have someone confident to advocate for you if needed, don't be scared to escalate upwards if you aren't getting the support you need (have the number for PALs and when you arrive ask for midwife in charges name), buzz as much as you need even if they make you feel like a nuisance.

I'd consider a planned C section, by that I mean if its something you'd consider then ask to speak to someone and make an informed decision about the risks etc. Its not an easy option by any means, and I'm a huge fan of as few interventions as possible should that be what the woman wants; but whilst it's not without issue still you're more likely to get a level of care.

Don't mean to scare you, most women are absolutely fine but sadly it is worth being prepared at the moment.

VesperLind · 31/01/2024 10:33

I recently became acquainted with a woman who is a solicitor working in medical negligence. Her practice is now almost exclusively maternity. She said that she advises all her friends and relatives to opt for elective C section As she regards that as the safest (note -not “safe”, but “safest”) option and that is what she chose for herself.

ThirdAidKit · 31/01/2024 10:33

Thank you @Spiderzed and @Thelazygardener I really appreciate the replies.

Noted very much on advocating for myself and having someone ready if I can’t.

I am asking for a planned C section yes, for a number of reasons.