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Mum judging parenting - what to do?

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somegetmecake · 29/01/2024 02:40

Just need a bit of a handhold and some advice, feeling a bit let down and need a bit of a vent as well…

We (myself, DHand DC) have moved away from the UK to DH’s home country to be closer to family (neither of us had any in the UK and want our child growing up with cousins and a family support structure).

More recently we’ve moved my mother in with us. She’s a lovely person to live with, very active still and we all get along really well usually. The decision to move her in with us is due to the increased cost of living and safety issues in the area that she lives becoming more and more problematic. It was a brave move to make, and we’ve done what we can to soften the blow (made sure the house we purchased had a separate ‘wing’ for her etc).

DC is 2 years old, and DH and I have strongly subscribed to a more Scandinavian way of parenting (DH is Danish, and it’s very close to gentle / authoritative parenting which I like - firm but sensible). This is very different from the way I was parented which was very authoritarian - I remember growing up being mostly scared of my parents. I’m not under any illusion that what we’re doing is “better”, we’ve just chosen differently based on our experiences and the information we have access to (I’ve been clear about this with my mother). I have also told my mother if she has any questions / concerns about how we’re parenting to raise them with us - as she’s living under the same roof, and we’d like a ‘united front’ with all the adults (as much as we can). She agreed to this, and has said nothing to me since.

Twice now, on separate occasions, I’ve heard her on the phone (she’s very loud) talking to my sister (who I am low contact with for various reasons - but mostly just to keep the family peace at this stage) talking about how DC doesn’t eat with a knife and fork yet (he’s 2), that when he gets overstimulated and pinches he gets told by me to ‘keep his hands to himself/don’t do that, use gentle hands’ while I physically remove his hands from me, and not a ‘firm no’ (ie shouting at him) and that he’s a, ‘little shit’ when he comes home from nursery, and basically that I’m letting him walk all over me. The tone was incredibly condescending, and the whole conversation was extremely gossipy, which hurt me deeply.

I am aware I should never have heard this - but I was literally on the other end of our house, and couldn’t help it. The first time I overheard a conversation I told her that she was loud enough to hear on the other end of the house, so might want to take calls like that elsewhere, and that I was upset by what she said - and explained (again) why we were approaching parenting the way we were. She got extremely defensive and didn’t talk to me for 3 days. Now that I’ve heard it again I wonder how to deal with it myself (pretend I never heard?) or confront my mother about it. Either way, I know now what she’s thinking and it breaks my heart as I thought of her as an ally in raising DC - and although I absolutely trust her with him, I’m saddened that she feels like myself and DH haven’t discussed and thought through how we want to raise our child.

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MariaVT65 · 29/01/2024 02:54

Totally feel for you. My DS who is 3 has issues with tantrums/hitting etc. One of my relatives also told me off for letting him rule the house etc.

My personal experience is that people who make comments like this have either not had much interaction with kids or haven’t done so for a very long time and have forgotten what it’s like to have tiny kids. I’m seeing it be very common for grandparents to not really remember what to do, or even be too nervous to bath their grandchild despite having 3 kids of their own. My mum is always ‘in my day this and that’ when things were a lot different and maybe with less understanding of things.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/baby/babys-development/behaviour/temper-tantrums/#:~:text=Temper%20tantrums%20usually%20start%20at,comes%20out%20as%20a%20tantrum.

The nhs page might be helpful to go through with your mum. It explains how at this age (and up until at least 4), this kind of behaviour is very common and is due to toddlers literally not being to express themselves or communicate how they feel. This is also what all my Health Visitors and nursery workers say too.

I would recommend having a blunt chat with your mum. Because I think the reality is that if she continues to makes these comments about your parenting, your living arrangements won’t work.

nhs.uk

Temper tantrums

Advice on dealing with toddler temper tantrums and how to cope if your child has started hitting, biting, kicking, or fighting.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/baby/babys-development/behaviour/temper-tantrums/#:~:text=Temper%20tantrums%20usually%20start%20at,comes%20out%20as%20a%20tantrum.

MariaVT65 · 29/01/2024 02:55

Oh and absolutely no 2 year olds I know use a knife to eat with. Just fork and spoon.

Lizzieregina · 29/01/2024 03:01

She needs to be told how hurtful it was for you to hear her speaking so negatively about you and her grandchild. I would have a hard time living with someone like that quite honestly.

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Daffodilsandtuplips · 29/01/2024 03:12

Mum, I heard you speaking to xxxx about our parenting of dc again, Im especially upset that you called him a little shit. I never thought that you would say such a thing about your own grandchild. I thought you were better than that. Please remember he is 2 and will learn to use cutlery in his own time.

Guavafish1 · 29/01/2024 03:19

she needs to off load. it's her opinion and she has a right too it.

it sounds factual (except shir comment)

you shouldn't have been listening

ButItHasCheese · 29/01/2024 03:31

Guavafish1 · 29/01/2024 03:19

she needs to off load. it's her opinion and she has a right too it.

it sounds factual (except shir comment)

you shouldn't have been listening

She overheard twice - after the first time she asked her to take calls like that somewhere else, presumably out of earshot.

GreatGateauxsby · 29/01/2024 03:42

She got extremely defensive and didn’t talk to me for 3 days. Now that I’ve heard it again I wonder how to deal with it myself (pretend I never heard?) or confront my mother about it.

It's a NO from me

Ignoring her slagging you off / "offloading" within earshot which people seem to have different views on.

The two issues I am much more about are:

  1. Your DS is going to be overhearing / understanding all this very very soon.
  2. her response when you tried to discuss it is very bad/unhealthy

Stonewalling is very unhealthy.
I presume you had to make conciliatory efforts/forget it/ just drop the subject before she "forgave you" and began speaking to you...?
longer term your ds is going to be watching your mother do this every single time something doesn't go her way and will on some level thing it's okay/replicate the behaviour. (My dad did this, my mum repeatedly told me it was not okay, I hated it and knew it was not okay i stil struggle massively NOT to do it to my DH...it properly shit 😅😓😭)
He is also going to be listening to her slagging off him and your shitty parenting - again very obviously this is hugely damaging stuff and is going to wreck his self esteem.

I would sit her down again and be pretty blunt.

  • Mum the arrangement right now isn't working.
  • I didn't like that you basically blanked me for 3 days iny own home. Its not acceptable behaviour for an adult, it's not very emotionally mature and it models poor behaviour for DS.
  • We've spoken about the calls and comments already, but it's happened again.
  • You called ds a little shit. I won't debate it, I heard you. It's a fact.
  • in 12/24m HE will be able to hear you and understand too and it is going to be incredibly damaging to have someone he loves speaks so poorly about him.
  • DS is my no 1 priority
  • Slagging me/him/us off more discreetly isnt an answer
  • This arrangement cannot go on if you want to continue like this.
  • What do you want to do?

And I would 💯 move her out if she doesn't check her privilege.
And if she ends up living in a dangerous shit hole that will also be 💯 her choice and not your responsibility.

GreatGateauxsby · 29/01/2024 03:52

MariaVT65 · 29/01/2024 02:55

Oh and absolutely no 2 year olds I know use a knife to eat with. Just fork and spoon.

Agreed.

My DD has advanced/ excellent fine motor skills (CM and various child specialists we know tell me this - not just me thinking my child is amazing)

DD uses a fork and spoon 50% of the time max. Before she tired /bored.
Knives are used either ineffectually or to experiment with.
Remainder of time is DD ramming it in by hand and occasionally spitting food out when it's TOO delicious and she overstuffs herself 😅

Theoldbird · 29/01/2024 04:50

that would upset any parent, and to hear your child described as a shit is not something I could come back from.

Mumoftwo1312 · 29/01/2024 05:09

I think she needs to move out of your house and in with your sister.

No one in my family or ILs would dream of calling any kid a "little shit", let alone a member of our own family.

I personally agree that a firm no is better than an ineffective "gentle hands" and I sympathise with her needing to vent sometimes but that is way too far. Anyone who calls my kid a shit would be out of my house.

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