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Do you believe in fortune tellers?

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Lilllypad11 · 28/01/2024 21:56

I’ve always been a sceptic. However my best mate seems to love them and apparently they told her things no one could know. Now, I’m torn. I know some of you are really sceptical and if you are you don’t have to comment(I’m aware of Barnum statements and cold readings etc) . But I’d love to know, genuinely, have you ever had someone tell you something you just never thought they could know?

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TwelveKeys · 28/01/2024 22:05

Do you mean someone telling you a fact, or predicting what will happen to you that hasn't happened yet?

Permitthrough · 28/01/2024 22:06

I don’t really know what fortune tellers do, do they just tell you your future? Do they use tarot cards or is that something different? Can they speak to dead people? I’ve never been to one, I’ve only ever seen mediums on tv (is that a fortune teller?) and derren brown shows where he ‘talks to dead people’ and ‘tells people their future’.

Logainm · 28/01/2024 22:13

No. The only time I went to a fortune teller she told me I was going to settle down locally with my boyfriend, have a baby within two years and ‘open a little business’ with him. Instead I moved abroad on a prestigious international scholarship, did two postgraduate degrees, had an academic career, and only had a baby nearly 20 years later, still living overseas.

She was telling me what she thought was an excellent future for the kind of person she thought I was.

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aitchteeaitch · 28/01/2024 22:18

No. I had one knock on the door once, waving bunches of heather at me. She told me that I'd end up having twins one day. I didn't.

Maising · 28/01/2024 22:18

I had my palm read on my hen do. He didn't know it was my hen do. He said it wouldn't work out with my current partner, there would be infidelity.

It was a bit upsetting to hear but pushed it to the back of my mind. Turns out he was right, we divorced 2 years later, he was cheating.

cardibach · 28/01/2024 22:20

That’s more law of averages than fortune telling @Maising
Could have easily gone the other way.
A bloke in an Athens park told my fortune once. He said I’d have 3 children. Wrong.

wayneismylife · 28/01/2024 22:26

I saw a fortune teller many years ago who told me my future DH's name, his profession, where we would meet, the year we would get married and what age I would be when I gave birth to our children, oh and she also told me what sex they would be.
Everything she predicted came true and it still freaks me out if I think about it too much.
I haven't visited one since.

Highfivemum · 28/01/2024 22:28

I am one of those unbelievers . However I was spooked a few years ago when I was out with a few friends and we got talking to another group of ladies of similar age. One of the ladies said she told fortunes and a few in my group were really interested. I on the other hand wasn’t. She followed me outside as I went to call DH for a lift home and said I know you don’t believe but I had to tell you to be very careful over the next few weeks as you are pregnant with a boy. She then said and good luck and by the way when you next meet your friend beginning with S be kind as she will have bad news. I just laughed and walked away. Three weeks later I found out I was pregnant and yes it was a boy. One of my school friends who lives abroad ( name starts with S ) came to stay and told me she was devastated as her husband was having an affair.
still don’t believe it all but I do question as to how/why she got it all spot on. Never seen the lady since.

Maising · 28/01/2024 22:28

@cardibach oh yes I fully agree it was a fluke that time.

Lilllypad11 · 28/01/2024 22:29

Maising · 28/01/2024 22:18

I had my palm read on my hen do. He didn't know it was my hen do. He said it wouldn't work out with my current partner, there would be infidelity.

It was a bit upsetting to hear but pushed it to the back of my mind. Turns out he was right, we divorced 2 years later, he was cheating.

Christ.

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BarelyLiterate · 28/01/2024 22:29

Of course not. 🙄

Lilllypad11 · 28/01/2024 22:30

wayneismylife · 28/01/2024 22:26

I saw a fortune teller many years ago who told me my future DH's name, his profession, where we would meet, the year we would get married and what age I would be when I gave birth to our children, oh and she also told me what sex they would be.
Everything she predicted came true and it still freaks me out if I think about it too much.
I haven't visited one since.

Bet you don’t have the contact details either 😅

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CaribouCarafe · 28/01/2024 22:33

Nope, if they truly had a gift they'd be minted. They just profile you and come up with vagaries that you later interpret to be true, lots of things in the reading you'll probably forget and then hook onto a few elements that are likely to transpire over time.

Death in the family? Well, eventually that will come true, we all die! Come into some money? How much? etc etc

VeniVidiWeeWee · 28/01/2024 22:38

Of course I believe in fortune tellers. They exist. Do I believe they have the powers they profess to have?

No.

idontlikealdi · 28/01/2024 22:42

Nope

wayneismylife · 28/01/2024 22:49

Her predictions were so specific that the likelihood of them coming true was so laughable at the time, I was also very drunk.
It was only about 2 years later when it all started coming together and by that point I couldn't even remember her name.
I honestly think had my sister not been with me at the time I think I might have dreamt it.

comeagainx · 28/01/2024 23:07

However my best mate seems to love them and apparently they told her things no one could know

NO THEY DON'T. They do cold reading which people who are really good at can do in a way that makes you think they could never know but you've told them.

It's stuff like
FT: I sense you have come here because you are sad [High probability]
Victim: YES!
FT: I am sensing a loss [vague enough to cover death or a dumping or job]
Victim: YES!
FT: Someone close to you? [again vague - relative or bf]
Victim: YES
FT: Someone close to you has left your life? [still vagnue and could still be death or a dumping.
Victim: God how did you know, Aunty Vera passed last week.
FT: [thinks) Excellent, now I've got big information to work with but carries on as if the person has never spoken.: I'm sensing a female relative.
Victim: YES!
FT: I'm sensing an older woman [probability based on age of victim and name vera]
Victim YES!

ultimately, the FT will reintroduce the name Vera, the Victim will have forgotten they said it at all and will leave like OMG SHE KNEW I'D GONE TO SEE HER ABOUT THE DEATH OF AUNTY VERA SHE HAS SECOND SIGHT.

This is a fun read on the topic:

https://medium.com/@chris.kirsch/cold-reading-how-i-made-others-believe-i-had-psychic-powers-dc184879d264

If you are tempted to believe, I'd highly recommend watching episodes 2 & 3 of this Netflix documentary series about mediums as you can totally see what evil charlatants they are- its the same techniques as fortune tellers.

https://www.netflix.com/gb/title/80998853

There's a brilliant bit where someone goes to see one about the death of his father. The medium/fortune teller person is all 'I'm sensing a violent death'. No. I'm sensing the letter J. No. Then because he's totally caught out he goes oh was your father a very private person. Yes. That's it. He doesn't want to talk to me. It's the wrong time.

You couldn't make it up

Cold Reading: How I Made Others Believe I Had Psychic Powers

I’ve always wanted to become a fortune teller’s apprentice. I would have loved to peek behind the velvet curtain to see what people ask…

https://medium.com/@chris.kirsch/cold-reading-how-i-made-others-believe-i-had-psychic-powers-dc184879d264

comeagainx · 28/01/2024 23:13

He said it wouldn't work out with my current partner, there would be infidelity.

It was a bit upsetting to hear but pushed it to the back of my mind. Turns out he was right, we divorced 2 years later, he was cheating.

This is probability though. Most relationships end. Very few are life partnerships. Many many relationships end because of infidelity.

If it hadn't ended or it had ended for other reasons, you'd have forgotten all about the fortune teller.

Same with the person with the pregnancy and the friend with a letter S (who doesn't have one of these) with bad news (everyone has bad news from time to time). No fortune teller ever says "next Tuesday your friend named Soriah Johnson who lives in Crewe will visit you and tell you that her dog lost its leg in a fight with fox" do they? It's all vague, probabilities that people ascribe meaning to.

catwithflowers · 29/01/2024 05:10

I had my palm read many years ago by a gypsy who said she could see I had lost a baby very recently. No questions leading up to that, it was more or less the first thing she said to me. I had just had a miscarriage. Could have been/most likely was coincidence of course, but I felt quite unnerved.

She also said I would live abroad which turned out to be true. But it was the baby thing that freaked me a bit!

comeagainx · 29/01/2024 11:08

No questions leading up to that, it was more or less the first thing she said to me. I had just had a miscarriage. Could have been/most likely was coincidence of course, but I felt quite unnerved.

Sorry for your loss @catwithflowers and this is why fortune telling really drives me insane because it is messing with the minds of vulnerable people.

most likely it was either a lucky guess (based on your age and probability
about 10% to 20% of known pregnancies end in miscarriage), or you have subconsciously forgotten what she said to you before that (I'm sensing a loss type of stuff) and are misremembering when/what she said. If you think about it logically (even suspending disbelief in my case for a moment and assume that she could 'See" this by way of second sight), no one is going to sit someone down and say "you've just had a miscarriage" first out the blocks because it is a sensitive subject, you would gently broach it - so it is more likely that you are misremembering what she said and when.

It's not really a great suprise because we all do it. If you want to test yourself, watch a short interview on television or a scene from a film something about 10 -15 mins long, then 48 hours later record yourself giving a verbal account of the content of it. Then wait two weeks and do it again. Then two months later, try to remeber what you can, then watch the video again and compare your recollections with the reality. Bear in mind this is likely to be a much better result than in real life because you are watching intending to try to remember and recalling it 24 hours later. If you want a more real life experience, get your DH or husband to select something for you that you've seen or a conversation you've had and do the same thing with that. Our memories are very falible and very selective but we become 'certain ' of things we really aren't certain of.

& of course that she may have acquired that information from elsewhere (some people do share this sort of information on social media and have condolences expressed)or drawn inferences from other things.

catwithflowers · 29/01/2024 11:13

@comeagainx All very interesting stuff and I'm not a believer in fortune telling, it was just a strange thing at the time. I have to say this was a long time ago, over 30 years, so I never really think about it now unless I come across a thread like this!

Yes, it's amazing what we reveal unintentionally. And how we 'misremember' events.

comeagainx · 29/01/2024 11:33

Yes, it's amazing what we reveal unintentionally. And how we 'misremember' events.

I think good cold reading is actually very clever. It is something that interests me enormously that plus the power of suggestion.

There are some very clever tricks you can do with cards where just by the words you use and the gestures you make you can influence people to do what you want. It doesn't always work but if you do it in a room of 100 people maybe 80-90% follow the pattern.

It's things like having a row of five cards and asking people to pick one and saying things like "don't be influenced by the fact there are only two red cards at either end" and most people won't pick them.

Similar is the Forer effect. He can describe you well can't he?

"You have a need for other people to like and admire you, and yet you tend to be critical of yourself. While you have some personality weaknesses you are generally able to compensate for them. You have considerable unused capacity that you have not turned to your advantage. Disciplined and self-controlled on the outside, you tend to be worrisome and insecure on the inside. At times you have serious doubts as to whether you have made the right decision or done the right thing. You prefer a certain amount of change and variety and become dissatisfied when hemmed in by restrictions and limitations. You also pride yourself as an independent thinker; and do not accept others' statements without satisfactory proof. But you have found it unwise to be too frank in revealing yourself to others. At times you are extroverted, affable, and sociable, while at other times you are introverted, wary, and reserved. Some of your aspirations tend to be rather unrealistic."

It's all very vague but based on high probability.

https://psychology.fandom.com/wiki/Forer_effect

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