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Anyone moved from UK to New Zealand? What are your good / bad / middling feelings?

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Analysisandparalysis · 25/01/2024 21:30

We’ve always had the option of leaving the UK as husband has NZ / UK nationality (born there, but grown up here). We’ve never really considered going as, well, why? But more recently it’s struck me as something to consider medium term.

Would love to hear other’s experiences.

OP posts:
FluWorldOrder · 25/01/2024 21:32

New Zealand is veerrryyyy expensive! I'm from there but live in the UK. It's a nice place of course but you need a high income to live well IMO.

FluWorldOrder · 25/01/2024 21:33

trademe.co.nz will give you an idea of property prices, wages etc

Embelline · 25/01/2024 21:35

following! As we're thinking about it, DH job is on the list, we'd love to take DS (he's 4) before he gets too settled in schooling over here. We have a very decent amount of savings, DH in a high paid job, I'm currently half SAHM and self-employed copywriter/social media manager so not sure how that would work either, although I could keep all my clients as I do it remotely in my own time currently (Just not sure how that would work on their points system or whether I could go as a spouse of DH if he went via his work).

FluWorldOrder · 25/01/2024 21:38

Embelline · 25/01/2024 21:35

following! As we're thinking about it, DH job is on the list, we'd love to take DS (he's 4) before he gets too settled in schooling over here. We have a very decent amount of savings, DH in a high paid job, I'm currently half SAHM and self-employed copywriter/social media manager so not sure how that would work either, although I could keep all my clients as I do it remotely in my own time currently (Just not sure how that would work on their points system or whether I could go as a spouse of DH if he went via his work).

Sounds good! I'm guessing you mean some kind of skills shortage list? My only concern would be why have all the New Zealanders skilled in that profession left New Zealand? Probably in Australia earning twice the amount again.

Embelline · 25/01/2024 21:42

Hey yes, once you're over a certain age it's harder to get in so generally you need to have a job or get a job over there that's on the skills shortage list (that seems to be the easiest way anyway). I think Australia is slightly easier but I've never wanted to go there for some reason!

Aaron95 · 25/01/2024 21:42

FluWorldOrder · 25/01/2024 21:38

Sounds good! I'm guessing you mean some kind of skills shortage list? My only concern would be why have all the New Zealanders skilled in that profession left New Zealand? Probably in Australia earning twice the amount again.

They haven't left. New Zealand has a shortage of the same skilled workers the UK (and most western countries) have.

FluWorldOrder · 25/01/2024 21:43

Also distance from the UK (as well as the cost of travel) is nothing to be sniffed at. Especially if you have close family and would like to return often. I've been here four years and people have often asked me have I been home "much" 😂 Ah no with two children and 24+ hours flying at £1800 ish return each I haven't been home "much".

FluWorldOrder · 25/01/2024 21:45

Ok @Aaron95 it's just the "brain drain" is often talked about in NZ. Highly qualified and skilled professions leaving for better money elsewhere. I just wondered if there was something like that at play 😊

FluWorldOrder · 25/01/2024 21:48

Embelline · 25/01/2024 21:42

Hey yes, once you're over a certain age it's harder to get in so generally you need to have a job or get a job over there that's on the skills shortage list (that seems to be the easiest way anyway). I think Australia is slightly easier but I've never wanted to go there for some reason!

Haha I don't blame you.. I lived in Australia for many years.. NZ is better but I'm biased. It's a great place but of course it has a lot of the same problems as the UK. Poverty, violence etc etc. But it's still a great place to raise kids. Good luck 😊

echt · 25/01/2024 22:05

Embelline · 25/01/2024 21:42

Hey yes, once you're over a certain age it's harder to get in so generally you need to have a job or get a job over there that's on the skills shortage list (that seems to be the easiest way anyway). I think Australia is slightly easier but I've never wanted to go there for some reason!

Australia is harder, setting far lower age limit: 55 for NZ, 44 for Australia. Obviously there are exceptions to these general rules.

Goditswindy · 25/01/2024 22:07

I'm fascinated at how people fare leaving their friends and family behind? I lived abroad for 3 years but nothing could make me stay away from the UK permanently even with all its faults

ithinkthatmaybeimdreaming · 25/01/2024 22:07

FluWorldOrder · 25/01/2024 21:32

New Zealand is veerrryyyy expensive! I'm from there but live in the UK. It's a nice place of course but you need a high income to live well IMO.

That is, like in the UK, dependant on where you live. Everyone I know seems to manage on a normal income. To say that everyone who lives well is on a high income is nonsense.

ithinkthatmaybeimdreaming · 25/01/2024 22:09

Goditswindy · 25/01/2024 22:07

I'm fascinated at how people fare leaving their friends and family behind? I lived abroad for 3 years but nothing could make me stay away from the UK permanently even with all its faults

You would be surprised if you knew how many Brits, and people from other parts of the world, have made NZ their home - even in the small town I live in.

Babyroobs · 25/01/2024 22:11

We did move there but it was back in 1997so a long time ago so probably not relevant. We loved it there but had two children close together and with no family around it was hard. we were there for almost five years . My eldest two kids were born there. I found the people really welcoming and loved their resilience and can do attitude, nothing phased them., But as others have said the young people all go off to do their overseas stuff, most of the Nurses in the hospital were from the Uk. We found it hard to manage financially, I didn't even get any maternity pay from the day I left and had to go back to work when my eldest was four months. Not sure it we were missing anything but there was no help with childcare costs or anything, we were very broke. Loved the scenery and travelling, the quietness and lack of people. as others have said there was some awful violence for a population of I think 3 million it was at the time. Lots of poverty, child abuse, murders.

Goditswindy · 25/01/2024 22:36

ithinkthatmaybeimdreaming · 25/01/2024 22:09

You would be surprised if you knew how many Brits, and people from other parts of the world, have made NZ their home - even in the small town I live in.

Oh I do know, one of my 3 years abroad were spent in Australia and New Zealand, could never back then fathom how you could up sticks permanently. My good friend in Perth left here 35 years and still ties herself in knots with family in both countries. She doesn't feel like she belongs in either place.

NewName24 · 25/01/2024 22:36

I know holidaying is in no way the same as living in another country, but all the people I know who have been to NZ in the last 12 months did not find living costs expensive at all - groceries, eating out, fuel, even coffees all being cheaper than UK.
NZ is so beautiful, but also just has such a nice 'feel' to it. The newspapers were full of the same stories as in the UK - teacher shortages and NHS equivalent strikes - was quite interesting.
One area in the South Island, all the schoolchildren get periods of having a day a week off school to all go skiing which sounded ace.

It is such a long journey to travel home though, or for friends and family to visit you. Cost and time. That is very off putting to me.

penjil · 25/01/2024 22:46

Babyroobs · 25/01/2024 22:11

We did move there but it was back in 1997so a long time ago so probably not relevant. We loved it there but had two children close together and with no family around it was hard. we were there for almost five years . My eldest two kids were born there. I found the people really welcoming and loved their resilience and can do attitude, nothing phased them., But as others have said the young people all go off to do their overseas stuff, most of the Nurses in the hospital were from the Uk. We found it hard to manage financially, I didn't even get any maternity pay from the day I left and had to go back to work when my eldest was four months. Not sure it we were missing anything but there was no help with childcare costs or anything, we were very broke. Loved the scenery and travelling, the quietness and lack of people. as others have said there was some awful violence for a population of I think 3 million it was at the time. Lots of poverty, child abuse, murders.

Edited

Is most of the poverty, child abuse and murders mainly within the maori communities?

Crikeyalmighty · 25/01/2024 22:49

I would find it being on a limb apart from nipping to Australia (and it's still a few hours) somewhat restricting.

I like the fact in Europe you can be in say germany and then in Spain 2 hours later or Marrakech or Turkey in 4hoursor so - and all quite different

mjf981 · 26/01/2024 07:34

It depends what you're looking for.
If you enjoy country life, hiking, skiing, beaches, nature, quiet and laid back - go for it. If you can work outside of Auckland in the country and enjoy the above, it is one of the best places in the world with a brilliant temperate climate. The people are also great - lots of common sense and a can do attitude. Lots of people have agricultural roots which probably contributes to this.
However, if you need cities, stimulation, regular travel, to be close to family, then don't. Its a long way from all of them.
On balance I think its a gem of a place and may end up there myself one day.

MissyB1 · 26/01/2024 07:35

Crikeyalmighty · 25/01/2024 22:49

I would find it being on a limb apart from nipping to Australia (and it's still a few hours) somewhat restricting.

I like the fact in Europe you can be in say germany and then in Spain 2 hours later or Marrakech or Turkey in 4hoursor so - and all quite different

This 👆 was the main reason we came back to the UK. We felt very isolated in NZ. And as you say Australia isn’t even really close.

Goditswindy · 26/01/2024 07:37

New Z is beautiful but boy it's a helluva long way from the rest of the world. I felt like I'd just been dumped and forgotten down there.

churbrah · 26/01/2024 08:16

We're a British family who moved to New Zealand some years ago.

Pros:
It's a gentle way of life in many ways. Kids here don't know / care about brands in the same way they do in UK. Not much bullying. None of the insane rule-following that UK does. People are more down to earth and matter-of-fact about stuff.

Also the geography is very pretty. Mountains, volcanoes, sea etc. Very nice.

Cons:
There is no culture. No history.
There is no architecture. Just damp wooden houses.

No touring artists come here. Nothing comes here. We barely get post.

No food culture - I mean, people eat, and you can get a decent coffee, but there's no love of food. When we go back to Europe we are blown away by how GOOD everything tastes.

It's SO farking expensive here. We spend £600 a week to live in a shit clapboard house in an unexciting suburb. We will NEVER buy a house here because houses cost at least 1.5 million - and for your money you get a 3-bed single glazed shed.

Kiwis socialise in a really weird way - you have to bring your own food and drink when you're invited to someone's house. And when people come to your house they bring a cooler of beers to drink, and then take home any they haven't finished.

Kiwis are famous for being friendly and they are friendly but they don't really mean it. They're nice but not kind. It's a very insular society and you'll be making friends with people who still socialise with their entire high school friend group , and their aunty and sisters live in the same town, so they don't really need a new person.

I was talking to a Brit who has been here for 20+ years and he said that the difference between the Brits and the Kiwis is that if you're new, the Brits will invite you for a pint and if it turns out you're a wanker they won't invite you again. The kiwis won't invite you to anything until you prove you're not a wanker.

And although the geography is very nice the houses are so bloody ugly. All the settlements are ugly. New Zealand is ALL inland Cornwall. They talk about Raglan like it's Padstow when it's actually a poor man's Newport at best.

The waste water management is so awful that it's the height of summer, and we haven't been able to swim in the sea for weeks because the sewage level is too high. Not a one-off. Just a shit (ha!) system. All local beaches black flagged.

And it is SO FUCKING FAR away. My mum fell down the stairs and I felt so helpless and far away. The flights are so expensive I'm not even sure I'd manage an emergency flight home. It's not even just about travelling. You have to work so hard to schedule phone calls to keep in touch. You can't just phone for a quick chat at 3pm because everyone's asleep. You make it work for family and close friends but you will lose touch with everyone else.

I thought of another pro: It's really far away from all the wars and nuclear threats. Safe. Also good at managing pandemics. Although the amazing lady who did that was bullied out of office and we now have the Antipodean Nigel Farage in charge. Their first ruling was to remove all the indigenous language signs from public places, next up: tax breaks for landlords.

Oh, another con: My teenagers are now thinking about what they want to do with their lives.... aaaand it's not live here. So now I'm looking at potentially having my kids living in different hemispheres and wondering how I'll manage to see them as I get older.

And your kids can't come back to UK university - once they have been out of the country for some years they need to be back and live for 2 years or you'll need to pay overseas university fees. Think about the difference between a degree from a decent UK university and one from overseas.

You can speak the language, but you'll still be a foreigner. As much as you would be in Russia or Brazil.

I think I'm done. That was cathartic. It's a treat to be able to say what's shit about living here because obviously I would never be rude enough to tell my host country it's arse, and everyone else in the world thinks that New Zealand is this magical wonderful dreamworld. It's not. It's a shit Newport.

I name changed to do this and I'll name change back now and probably not check this thread. Unless I think of anything I missed.

Fillyfrog · 26/01/2024 09:08

@churbrah that was really interesting.

Would you never consider moving back?

Babyroobs · 26/01/2024 09:30

churbrah · 26/01/2024 08:16

We're a British family who moved to New Zealand some years ago.

Pros:
It's a gentle way of life in many ways. Kids here don't know / care about brands in the same way they do in UK. Not much bullying. None of the insane rule-following that UK does. People are more down to earth and matter-of-fact about stuff.

Also the geography is very pretty. Mountains, volcanoes, sea etc. Very nice.

Cons:
There is no culture. No history.
There is no architecture. Just damp wooden houses.

No touring artists come here. Nothing comes here. We barely get post.

No food culture - I mean, people eat, and you can get a decent coffee, but there's no love of food. When we go back to Europe we are blown away by how GOOD everything tastes.

It's SO farking expensive here. We spend £600 a week to live in a shit clapboard house in an unexciting suburb. We will NEVER buy a house here because houses cost at least 1.5 million - and for your money you get a 3-bed single glazed shed.

Kiwis socialise in a really weird way - you have to bring your own food and drink when you're invited to someone's house. And when people come to your house they bring a cooler of beers to drink, and then take home any they haven't finished.

Kiwis are famous for being friendly and they are friendly but they don't really mean it. They're nice but not kind. It's a very insular society and you'll be making friends with people who still socialise with their entire high school friend group , and their aunty and sisters live in the same town, so they don't really need a new person.

I was talking to a Brit who has been here for 20+ years and he said that the difference between the Brits and the Kiwis is that if you're new, the Brits will invite you for a pint and if it turns out you're a wanker they won't invite you again. The kiwis won't invite you to anything until you prove you're not a wanker.

And although the geography is very nice the houses are so bloody ugly. All the settlements are ugly. New Zealand is ALL inland Cornwall. They talk about Raglan like it's Padstow when it's actually a poor man's Newport at best.

The waste water management is so awful that it's the height of summer, and we haven't been able to swim in the sea for weeks because the sewage level is too high. Not a one-off. Just a shit (ha!) system. All local beaches black flagged.

And it is SO FUCKING FAR away. My mum fell down the stairs and I felt so helpless and far away. The flights are so expensive I'm not even sure I'd manage an emergency flight home. It's not even just about travelling. You have to work so hard to schedule phone calls to keep in touch. You can't just phone for a quick chat at 3pm because everyone's asleep. You make it work for family and close friends but you will lose touch with everyone else.

I thought of another pro: It's really far away from all the wars and nuclear threats. Safe. Also good at managing pandemics. Although the amazing lady who did that was bullied out of office and we now have the Antipodean Nigel Farage in charge. Their first ruling was to remove all the indigenous language signs from public places, next up: tax breaks for landlords.

Oh, another con: My teenagers are now thinking about what they want to do with their lives.... aaaand it's not live here. So now I'm looking at potentially having my kids living in different hemispheres and wondering how I'll manage to see them as I get older.

And your kids can't come back to UK university - once they have been out of the country for some years they need to be back and live for 2 years or you'll need to pay overseas university fees. Think about the difference between a degree from a decent UK university and one from overseas.

You can speak the language, but you'll still be a foreigner. As much as you would be in Russia or Brazil.

I think I'm done. That was cathartic. It's a treat to be able to say what's shit about living here because obviously I would never be rude enough to tell my host country it's arse, and everyone else in the world thinks that New Zealand is this magical wonderful dreamworld. It's not. It's a shit Newport.

I name changed to do this and I'll name change back now and probably not check this thread. Unless I think of anything I missed.

Wow that's a lot of cons !

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