Staffing hours on trip

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I've been thinking how this works for a few years.

We go on trips and work from 7am-12 with no real break. I did a summer school and staff were expected to eat and supervise student.

How is this calculated in terms of work 6 hours entitled to a 20 minute break type rules.

I'm going a few residential and always thought of it as a nice part of the job but most people just moan.

I was running a summer school and one woman said she didn't want a lunch break and asks to leave 30 mins earlier instead of leading an activity. How do you say no.

On school trips we never get breaks so how does this actually work?

What other jobs have an equivalence of this?

I think wrt to teachers it's one of those things we just have to suck up and get on with. For the summer school I would say "unfortunately we need all adults available for the end of the day to supervise the children" if she's not happy with that then it doesn't seem like the right role for her

Sucking it up is right I think. I'm not a teacher but occasionally as part of my job I escort groups on week long holidays (mostly retirees). I'm on duty from the time we meet for breakfast until after dinner, perhaps with an hour to shower and change in between if I'm lucky, and if nobody needs anything from me. I'm on call overnight in case anyone has an emergency.

I don't get any extra pay or leave than my standard office based 7.5 hour day, but I do get to go to some amazing places that I probably wouldn't visit (or be able to afford to visit) otherwise.

All through the covid hubs cover, and when in bubbles etc, we had to suck it up. Worked longer days f2f with kids from 7 til half 5 and had to supervise all day and eat with them too.

After a while, when things were approaching more normal, we objected to having to suck it up, and some arrangement was put in to cover lunches so you got 30 mins non-contact. But that was it for the full day.

The 7-12 bit I'd live with as long as I was paid the full 5 hours.

The full day summer club should have room in the setup to release people while others supervise for a lunch break, which would mean no flexibility for people wanting to leave early instead.

Our summer club has this problem as they schedule staff full days at a time.
A local other school has got round it by having a morning shift and an afternoon shift, which staff only work one of. This removes the need.

Another school has relief staff who come to cover the lunch for a couple of hours so some can take it in turns to have some non-contact time. But they are hard to recruit.

@DrMadelineMaxwell the rolling munch makes sense now and will bear in mind for future.

I'd a 40 minute lunch and staff could have the first 20 or last 20 as a break but this one woman asked to leave early. She was the careers lady!

As for the trip - it's 7am in the morning to 12 midnight. It's 17 hours!

Lunch now renamed munch and I like it!

Sorry this was for staffroom!

Plenty of places have a fixed lunch so the holiday club isn't a problem to say no.

Trips, meh suck it up ime.

As for the trip - it's 7am in the morning to 12 midnight. It's 17 hours!
That's long!

I do residential with my class for 3 days and don't get a minute to myself, sitting in the corridor by their rooms until the last person is asleep before I can go to bed. It's v wearing.

And I'm off to a concert with my choir next month which unfortunately will have me teaching from 9-12, then getting on the coach at 12 with the choir, finally getting home at about midnight. I'll suck it up to be fair, but I won't enjoy the lack of any time to myself that day. Luckily the choir day is good fun.

No real answer but I worked in the disability care sector for 15 years 12.5hour shifts only paid for 11 hours as unpaid breaks and unpaid handover which always takes around 30 minutes. (it's still this way my partner still works there) yet you can't actually leave the premises and you dont get an actual break for example you can eat your lunch (that you have to bring yourself) at the table with the students (I worked in a residential college in their living quarters which were separate supported living homes so normal sized houses 5 bed to 10 bed) your never off the clock. So you physically work 50 hours a week but get paid 43.5 hours no idea what the other half hour a week was taken away! And all for minimum wage. I got paid £0.10ph above the minimum wage because I was in charge of the house so managed often 10 students all with different disabilities, plus the running of the house and finances.