When did everyone become a doctor?

[pollyglot]

Just that really.
Years ago, you were a doctor if:
a) you had medical degree
b) you had a Ph.D. Though strangely, many women were still called "Mrs".

Suddenly, dentists began to call themselves "doctor". As did vets. Then the practice (prescribing) nurse had "Dr. Joy Full" on her door, and now I see the physio is Dr. Payne-Legge.

I seem to remember that in Italy, lawyers are "dottore/dottoressa" (might be wrong), and anyone with a degree in Japan is entitled to be addressed as "sensei".
Yes yes, I know that "doctor" simply means "someone with learning" from the Latin.
Meanwhile, surgeons remain "Mr./Ms. McCUTcheon".

Will those attaining a 3rd in Media Studies soon be eligible to join the elite?

Yes I agree!

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My daughter has a doctoral degree in physio.

A doctor is someone who has completed a terminal degree in their field.

Technically dentistry is a medical degree

If you have a Ph.D. in most fields you can call yourself a doctor if you so choose. It’s for example on the drop down menu when picking a Ms/Mrs/Mr on online forms, like for a flight. Rarer cases are honorary titles.

Also on legal paper work, the Germans for example INSIST, get very peeved even if it’s for private stuff no-one will see, then again in Germany they care much more than the English about education though….and it’s a protected title in Europe, you can’t call yourself a doctor unless someone else has given you a fancy bit of stamped paper to frame for the office wall.

In the health sector in the UK it’s a protected title, unlike Architect for example, which is however considered a profession.

I DGAF about what people want to be, don’t really see it as a problem, unless someone is trying to be perceived as a medical doctor online to make money.

Fully qualified lawyers in Italy use the title ‘avvocato’, not doctor. Dottore / dottoressa is a title for anyone who has completed a university degree (not necessarily a PhD), so I wouldn’t map it to how ‘Dr’ is used here.

I knew a Dr Kidney years ago.

My sister in law is a hairdresser (loves it) and also
Has a phd (chemistry related ) she rightly calls herself a doctor because she is.
I'm sure people think she's delusional. She's not.

Are you sure these people don't have phd's which is actually the real meaning of Doctor
.
For
Medical doctors it's an honorary kind courtesy and actually unearned unless they also have a phd

If it makes you feel better, I heard of someone whose real name is Hazel Nut or maybe Nutt?
She's a Hazel, and married a Mr Nut/Nutt. I have that on good authority 👍

L7 is masters level. L8 is doctoral. A doctorate is usually the qualification for a min. 3 year programme of post degree study. Medicine and dentistry are the exceptions as far as I’m aware.

We actually had a family dentist named Dr. Payne. He had some advanced degrees in oral surgery and so on but it was in a country where I think dentists are always called doctors anyways.

If they call themselves doctor then they most likely have a PhD.

really hope I never need a lawyer while travelling in Italy. I know my brain works and I just know I will end up saying avocado

In the US, doctors, dentists, vets, and physiotherapists are all 'doctor'. All of them have done postgrad courses to qualify, and in medicine they also do residencies in their specific specialty, ranging from two years for general practice to seven years for orthopedic surgery. On top of that, some do fellowships in subspecialties of their specialty.

...and they can be MD or DO.

I would assume if a nurse is calling themselves Dr that they have a PHD?

Is her husband a vet ?
Many years ago when I was a child my Rabbit had to see a vet called Mr P Nut/Nutt
And apparently his wife was called Hazel🤔

Vets are animal doctors, surely

Brilliant 👏

But medical Dr's do not just have a degree, then they begin medical training so until they pass at least the first professional exams they are not a Dr even a junior one just a student? It's not like you just start work as a grad Dr like some other professions, there are additional high level exams beyond your initial degree no?

A hot summer's day?

I know a nurse and a physio who have PhDs, technically they're more entitled to call themselves 'Dr' than MDs who are 'just' honorary Dr's.

Have you examined their CVs and educational histories before casting judgement?

Many of the traditional professions have similar systems- engineers, lawyers, accounts etc, all have post graduate professional qualifications which take a LOT of work and years of training to gain. While letters after the name are gained, none of these would be Dr's unless they have a PhD, that one's a weird quirk of the medical profession.

I'm a PM with a doctorate in a relevant field. I do call myself Dr at work, but not in home life. I didn't used to but a colleague who was my mentor told me I should have the recognition and encouraged me to use it. Women so often undersell themselves, I'm quite sad at the responses in here. I'm not in healthcare so no one is going to mistake me for a medic.

You know not everyone is in the UK, right? The OP could be in Australia for example. Or just being wistful for summer/sarcastic