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If AI is going to eventually replace jobs, what will happen with society

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FatFemale · 16/01/2024 14:05

I know its still early days in the AI/robots taking over BUT….If you cannot get another job (because its been replaced by AI), how will you live? If you have a mortgage to pay etc. will your job role be taken into account soon when getting a mortgage as to how likely it will be available to pay it off vs AI taking the role on. I do wonder what will happen with my children and how the world will be

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Welcometothehumanrace · 17/01/2024 10:22

AllAroundMyCat · 17/01/2024 10:01

I suspect that , in time, the majority of jobs that involve using a screen would be replaced by AI so offices and WFH won't exist much.

We'll be required to train for jobs that AI can't do eg, building, tree/landscaping work, digging, nursing care...
Even surgery will be replaced , I reckon but I think that's all a long way off.

I think the opposite. People forget AI requires human oversight, programming, error management and important management of cyber security risks and crimes which are a significant and growing concern. Technology based jobs which can be done from home.

I think some jobs will disappear due to AI, but also that most will be replaced by new jobs created by the AI itself. People seem to think AI can and will develop and operate in silo, but that's not the case. We still need people to manage the AI. Jobs will just change.

pyjamaphile · 17/01/2024 10:32

Bill Gates are saying he thinks midwives could be replaced by AI. No thanks..

LakeWoebegon · 17/01/2024 10:33

MachineAi · 17/01/2024 09:49

"Navigating the Future: Adapting to an AI-Driven Job Market and Mortgage Landscape"

Introduction:

The advent of artificial intelligence (AI) and automation technologies has ushered in a new era with the potential to reshape the very fabric of our society. As these technologies continue to advance, concerns about the future of employment and its implications on financial stability, particularly in the context of mortgages, have become increasingly prevalent. This essay delves into the multifaceted aspects of this evolving landscape, exploring the potential challenges individuals may face if their jobs are replaced by AI, and how this could impact their ability to navigate the mortgage market.

I. The Shifting Paradigm of Employment:

As AI and robots gradually assume roles traditionally held by humans, the nature of employment is undergoing a profound transformation. Jobs that once seemed secure are now at risk of being automated, raising fundamental questions about the future of work and income. In this context, individuals facing job displacement due to AI must grapple with the uncertainty of their financial future.

II. Assessing Mortgage Viability in an AI-Dominated Job Market:

One significant area of concern is the impact of AI on the mortgage market. Traditionally, mortgage lenders have evaluated applicants based on factors such as income stability and employment prospects. However, in a future where AI disrupts traditional job roles, it becomes imperative for lenders to adapt their assessment criteria. This may involve considering the likelihood of a borrower's chosen profession being replaced by automation and the potential implications for their ability to repay a mortgage.

III. Rethinking Financial Systems:

The potential scenario of widespread job displacement demands a reevaluation of existing financial systems. Governments, financial institutions, and policymakers must collaborate to develop new frameworks that address the challenges posed by an AI-driven job market. This could include the implementation of reskilling programs, social safety nets, and innovative financial instruments that provide economic stability in the face of changing employment landscapes.

IV. Fostering Skills for the Future:

To prepare for an AI-dominated job market, individuals and societies must prioritize the development of skills that are less susceptible to automation. Critical thinking, creativity, emotional intelligence, and adaptability are qualities that can enhance an individual's resilience in the face of technological disruption. Moreover, fostering a culture of continuous learning and embracing flexible education systems will be essential to equip individuals with the tools needed to thrive in the evolving job market.

V. Nurturing a Vision for the Future:

As we contemplate the potential challenges posed by AI and automation, it is crucial to envision a future where technological advancements coexist with human prosperity. Governments, businesses, and individuals must collaborate to create a vision that harnesses the benefits of AI while mitigating its potential adverse effects. This may involve policy initiatives, investments in education, and the establishment of a social framework that ensures a fair and inclusive transition to an AI-driven future.

Conclusion:

In conclusion, the integration of AI into our society brings about both opportunities and challenges, particularly concerning employment and mortgages. Adapting to this new paradigm requires a proactive approach, involving comprehensive assessments of job roles, innovative financial solutions, and a commitment to nurturing skills that stand resilient against automation. As we navigate this transformative era, it is crucial to cultivate a collective vision that embraces the potential of AI while safeguarding the well-being and financial stability of individuals in the years to come.

Oh the irony!
Downloaded directly from ChatGPT.
What AI thinks about AI.

puncheur · 17/01/2024 10:38

@LakeWoebegon it's not a great essay, but it's good enough - and "good enough and cheaper than humans" is all that matters from a business perspective.

Octavia64 · 17/01/2024 10:40

There will be different jobs.

People worried about this during the Industrial Revolution - when weaving machines were invented then slowly the hand weavers went out of business.

But there were new jobs making the machines and building the factories and running the machines.

The weavers (who were skilled) mostly lost their jobs (although some probably marketed their product as better quality which it would have been) but new jobs came along.

AI will already be having an impact but like the weavers the quality of the work initially will be low.

People jobs where you have to be there in person and interact with other people - hairdresser, teacher, management consultant, are never going to go away.

unsync · 17/01/2024 10:46

It will be a mash up of The Hunger Games, Blade Runner, Logan's Run and Terminator with a dash of Robocop and High Rise. A slide into an apocalyptic dystopia.

user1497207191 · 17/01/2024 10:52

Just look at the track laying machines on the railways. Yes, some pretty impressive kit that does it all automatically. Yet, when you see it in action, there's still a small army of day-glo jackets around it. Yes, it's quicker, it can lay tracks with fewer people controlling it, watching it, supervising it, and of course a few with spades when necessary, but it still needs people, fewer than if the track was laid manually, but it's certainly not a "one man" operation!

Lavenderblume · 17/01/2024 10:52

Unabletomitigate · 17/01/2024 08:55

Who were the people throwing shoes into the machines when looms were introduced?
There are always periods of upheaval and change in society. No need to panic.

Those people lost their livelihoods and many starved to death. So there is some need to panic...

lowandbeno · 17/01/2024 11:02

IHS · 16/01/2024 15:04

Certain types of people will need to be retained in order to keep things maintained and do the work that AI physically won't be able to do. I think there will be a slave class who will be used to service the needs of the rich and satisfy their need for abuse, killing and sexual violence.
Everyone else will be quietly exterminated, allowed to die, not allowed to reproduce etc. until the population of the world is small enough for just the rich to exist and a few others to service their needs/keep things running. AI will closely monitor whatever workers there are in order to keep them in line.

Science fiction Confused

lowandbeno · 17/01/2024 11:08

unsync · 17/01/2024 10:46

It will be a mash up of The Hunger Games, Blade Runner, Logan's Run and Terminator with a dash of Robocop and High Rise. A slide into an apocalyptic dystopia.

Why the need for scaring?

ResultsMayVary · 17/01/2024 11:23

There may be a movement towards a shorter working week and more sustainable living. It seems crazy to me that human beings have kept working the majority of the week even though we have more and labour saving divices. We send more and more on basic living necessities and overcomsuming so that societies main preoccupations are with shedding excess pounds or decluttering physical items!

I doubt that AI will result in less jobs ocerall any more than computers did.

user1497207191 · 17/01/2024 11:41

ResultsMayVary · 17/01/2024 11:23

There may be a movement towards a shorter working week and more sustainable living. It seems crazy to me that human beings have kept working the majority of the week even though we have more and labour saving divices. We send more and more on basic living necessities and overcomsuming so that societies main preoccupations are with shedding excess pounds or decluttering physical items!

I doubt that AI will result in less jobs ocerall any more than computers did.

Yet we have serious labour shortages in some sectors, with some businesses forced to reduce hours/days because they can't find staff to work. Some employers virtually begging workers to work more hours or return to work after early retirement!

At the same time, we have ever increasing numbers of "economically inactive" people, either young, old, unemployed, etc.

It's bonkers and unsustainable. We need to be educating and training people up properly for the current and future jobs!

If we think we're heading towards shorter working weeks, then more people will have to work for the shorter week, perhaps with people working longer working lives rather than taking early retirement and then suffering when staff shortages mean they don't get the services they expect!

rumred · 17/01/2024 12:04

Of course change is a constant but the rate of technology change is phenomenal. It's not just AI either; generative ai and machine learning are potentially threats to all sorts of industries and people. Yuval Harari has a chapter in his 21 lessons book and he predicts massive job losses and power and money being concentrated in fewer hands than at present. How it will play out in reality is anyone's guess but I don't think complacency is a good idea

TheWorldisGoingMad · 17/01/2024 13:20

You can't milk income tax from a machine. What will they come up with to fill their coffers. I do think it will happen, but at a far slower rate than we think. I could be wrong.

coxesorangepippin · 17/01/2024 13:23

Internet free communes

Like the good old days

riyaz8501 · 26/05/2025 13:43

That is a very significant issue. AI is likely to create new opportunities and industries that we have not yet imagined, in addition to transforming many jobs. To ensure that everyone benefits from these changes, society will need to adapt through education, retraining, and robust social support systems. The goal should be a future where AI handles repetitive tasks, freeing humans to focus on creativity, empathy, and complex problem-solving — qualities only people bring

GingerPaste · 26/05/2025 13:52

I’ve really got no idea - but I remember when personal computers and printers came in, it was predicted that we would live in a paperless society and would be working a 3-day week.

None of that has really happened. People are doing more work than ever.

Maybe the ‘space’ created by AI will be filled with just more menial crap for us to do at lower wages.

Chersfrozenface · 26/05/2025 13:53

The goal should be a future where AI handles repetitive tasks, freeing humans to focus on creativity, empathy, and complex problem-solving — qualities only people bring.

People will need an income to pay for the necessities of life. It would be desirable for them to be able to afford some nice-to-haves, too.

Who will pay this income to the humans focussing on creativity and empathy?

(I'm presuming that whatever system develops will perforce have to pay some humans to solve problems arising in the operation of the system itself.)

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ruethewhirl · 26/05/2025 14:19

I honestly think there will need to be some thought put into introducing a universal basic income. I’m not claiming to know how it would be funded, but I gather there are models out there that suggest it could work.

TwentyKittens · 26/05/2025 18:45

ruethewhirl · 26/05/2025 14:19

I honestly think there will need to be some thought put into introducing a universal basic income. I’m not claiming to know how it would be funded, but I gather there are models out there that suggest it could work.

I thought there were pilots of this happening in at least a couple of places in the UK?

MasculineProviderEnergy · 26/05/2025 20:59

Didn't the civilisation of Rome begin to break down once there was nothing left for its citizens to do?

I thought there were pilots of this happening in at least a couple of places in the UK?

2 boroughs from memory, in Wales and London. Awarded to care-leavers.

ruethewhirl · 26/05/2025 22:18

TwentyKittens · 26/05/2025 18:45

I thought there were pilots of this happening in at least a couple of places in the UK?

Yeah, there have been a few in recent years in England and Wales. Keir Starmer isn't in favour, though.

ViciousCurrentBun · 26/05/2025 22:23

@Unabletomitigate The Luddite’s,

blueshoes · 26/05/2025 22:47

I just don't believe that unions will allow mass redundancies caused by robots/computers, etc., especially in the public sector.

If AI does away with the need for much of the workforce represented by the unions, then it is not whether unions will allow mass redundancies but that unions will themselves be out of a job.

Hallywally · 26/05/2025 22:48

Won’t we need people to keep all these computer systems running? Generating the power? Fixing them? Writing bespoke systems etc? And there are still a lot of industries that AI couldn’t replace (I work in one!)