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Advice on dealing with an American Bully XL nextdoor

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MichaelFlatleyLordoftheDance · 16/01/2024 11:32

Bit of a rant, and I'd love some advice. I have neighbours who own an American Bully XL dog. When they first got the dog about 18 months ago, all seemed fine. The neighbours seemed to be taking good care of him and loving on him. While the dog made me nervous, I tried to take the "it's how you raise them" attitude and hoped my neighbours trained him well. One day, my family and I were outside playing when the dog, who was off the lead in the neighbour's front garden (I hadn't noticed it was off the lead as it had a harness on and the neighbours were also outside) came running towards us, bowling over my then three year old DD. There was no bite, scratches, etc but it certainly knocked my DD for a loop. Luckily she's a tough kid and after a few seconds of tears she was back to playing. The neighbours rushed over, tackled the dog and brought him back inside. They apologised profusely. We stayed calm as to not escalate things but asked politely they just keep her on a lead when outside. I wanted to call the police to report the incident so it was on file, because honestly I was furious, but my DH talked me out of it.

A few months went by, and a different neighbour told us the same dog attacked another small local dog quite violently. But, the female owner of the American Bully XL became so aggressive and verbally abusive towards the owner of the other dog, the owner of the other dog was too afraid to report it. Apparently the owner of the smaller dog was quite elderly, and though the dog sustained injuries none were serious. It's a small village, and I assume the woman didn't want to make waves. I understand this is hearsay, but it certainly put me on edge even more than I had been. The female owner of the American Bully XL is also a very heavy pot smoker. The odor comes from the house most of the day, everyday. She's often smoking as she walks the dog. I only mention this as I don't think she's at her sharpest most of the time.

One night I popped outside to get something from my car which was parked across the street. As I jogged over to the car I heard loud growling - it scared me half to death!! It was dark so I couldn't see it but I knew it was the dog. Sure enough, just as I opened the door here it comes down the driveway - no lead, no harness, no neighbours. I jumped into the car and slammed the door, but cracked the window slightly and sweetly spoke to the dog, "hey (name) it's me, you're ok, everything is ok." A minute later the female neighbour comes out. Yelling for the dog. I called to her, said I was ok and that the dog was by my car. She ignored me completely - though definitely heard me - grabbed the dog and took him inside as I stayed locked in my car. No apology.

Since the new laws came into effect, the neighbours do muzzle the dog when taking him for walks; however, they continue to leave the dog off the lead, out of the harness, unmuzzled and unattended almost daily in the front yard. The dog is free to roam. This has gone on ever since they got the dog. Typically he stays in his own yard, but what's to stop him if he decided to take off after someone or something? They also tend to let him off the lead and remove the muzzle as they walk back up the street towards their house. I have months of photo and video evidence of this from our security camera, but I'm not sure what to do about this. I'm terrified to take my kids outside. Even to take the bins out I check to make sure the dog isn't out, and if it is, I wait until it's back inside. Every single house on the street either has young children, people with mobility issues, or is elderly. I definitely agree that any dog can be dangerous in the right circumstances just as any dog can be properly trained. I just feel like my neighbours are playing with fire leaving a dog with this size, strength and reputation, outside unattended, unleashed, unharnessed and unmuzzled. I don't know if the dog is registered or not, but he's still not been "fixed" so that to me makes him even more terrifying.

Does anyone have advice or input on this? Do I report them? If so, to who? Do I send an anonymous letter to them and ask them to keep the dog secure at all times? We've asked them once to secure the dog and they didn't. I may sound like I'm worrying too much, but having young kids, one of whom who's already had one negative incident with this dog, it just makes me so nervous and not worth the risk. Thanks for letting me vent.

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tempnameforadvice · 16/01/2024 11:41

How easily can the dog get out of his front garden? Is there a gate? How high / low is the wall / fencing etc?

lovelifeat40 · 16/01/2024 11:44

Report to the police via their online system. They take it very seriously and it's good that you have video/photo evidence. That dog is an accident waiting to happen, BTW it doesn't have to be an XL Bully, as long as a dog is behaving dangerously, the police will take actions. Good luck.

MichaelFlatleyLordoftheDance · 16/01/2024 11:46

@tempnameforadvice there is no fence of any kind in the front garden. The dog is completely free to roam when it's in the front garden (which is almost daily). The back garden is fenced in properly but the gate is about waist-high. In my opinion (and it could just be me being a worrier) the dog could easily jump the gate if it wanted to.

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Kwam31 · 16/01/2024 11:47

Whilst I think you're being dramatic and listening to gossip, they are breaking the conditions of exemption; he must be muzzled at all times outwith the home including in a car, garden etc. A call to local DW and they'll visit and warn her regards conditions.

Mumsanetta · 16/01/2024 11:49

I’m confused. You sound desperately worried for your and your child’s safety but yet haven’t googled what you might be able to if the owner of an XL bully isn’t following the law? It took me 2 seconds to google and get an answer - report it to the police.

Kwam31 · 16/01/2024 11:50

Reading your update would suggest they do not have formal exemption certificate as one condition is a secure garden. A call to DW

LightSwerve · 16/01/2024 11:51

You are now protected by the law - report the dog as being free to roam and not wearing a muzzle. Get a photo or video and report it.

ISeeTheLight · 16/01/2024 11:54

You need to report it to the police. What if it ends up biting or hurting a child (aggressively or by accident, doesn't matter it's a big dog with huge and powerful jaws). You'd never forgive yourself. Time to put your big pants on OP and protect your children.

Gilead · 16/01/2024 11:55

I’d definitely be reporting it, your children cannot play outside safely.

Sapphire387 · 16/01/2024 11:58

Honestly this is a no-brainer. You report them to the police on 101. Keep the evidence you have. They are breaking the law.

MichaelFlatleyLordoftheDance · 16/01/2024 12:09

@Mumsanetta I understand, but I'm not from this country so I'm here looking for advice. I've looked up a few things, but I thought I'd look for help here, too. I felt it necessary to give as much information as possible so people more "in the know" than me can help.

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MichaelFlatleyLordoftheDance · 16/01/2024 12:11

@Sapphire387 ah 101! Thank you! I'm not from the UK so I've been a bit confused on what to do. Many thanks.

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MichaelFlatleyLordoftheDance · 16/01/2024 12:11

Thanks everyone. I'll get on to 101 straight away. I didn't know that was the right number. Many thanks!

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Frasers · 16/01/2024 12:16

I’m in two minds, I am sure the dog didn’t violently attack another dog, if the dog didn’t have any serious injuries. An xl bully violently attacking would seriously injure a smaller dog by default. So that looks like hyperbole to me.

the dog doesn’t need to be muzzled in its own garden or on lead, but the front garden is a concern.

looks like the dog though, whilst occasionally running off, has never really done anything, as much as you’ve tried to build a case? And that when out it’s muzzled and on lead as per the law?

Kwam31 · 16/01/2024 12:18

The dog warden will be a better call, the police will not be out quickly, the exemption process is overwhelmed at present.

Comedycook · 16/01/2024 12:20

Even if it wasn't an XL bully, I think it could be classed as dangerously out of control. Yes I'd report it. It's like you're being held hostage in your own house if you can't do ordinary things like put your bins out without checking

FuckYouEzekiel · 16/01/2024 12:21

I don't think the op is overreacting at all.

Ballygowenwater · 16/01/2024 12:26

They are clearly breaking the new laws so you could report that however a dog knocking over your 3 yr old isn’t exactly dangerous or threatening behaviour that’s just an occupational hazard of being a small child in a public space.

Stopthetankerimtryingtosleep · 16/01/2024 12:28

We had this with a smaller bully breed when my DS was newborn. My neighbours didn't bother to fix their gate and just shoved a bin in the way. So when going out to the car with DS in his car seat, I would often have this aggressive dog lurch for me out of nowhere. Sadly at the time the dog warden did naff all about it. I'm glad laws are in place now regarding the larger breed and hope you get this sorted.

Comedycook · 16/01/2024 12:29

Ballygowenwater · 16/01/2024 12:26

They are clearly breaking the new laws so you could report that however a dog knocking over your 3 yr old isn’t exactly dangerous or threatening behaviour that’s just an occupational hazard of being a small child in a public space.

I have just had a look online at the law around dogs... I'm not a legal expert but from what I understand regardless of breed any dog can be classed as dangerously out of control if it injures someone or if someone is worried it may injure them. I would think knocking a three year old over would count as that.

MrsSlocombesCat · 16/01/2024 12:32

I am petrified of dogs and encountered an XL Bully on a lead outside a shop with its owner who was chatting to people about his dog. I was nervous but walked towards them telling myself it was on a lead, nothing to be afraid of, you’ve got this. I didn’t realise the lead was extendable and it ran at me, luckily the owner pulled it back saying the usual ‘he won’t hurt you he just wants to play’ or some other nonsense like that. Regardless I was traumatised. So I feel so sorry for you and your kids. I can only repeat what others have said about contacting the dog warden and the police. I personally think the police will act quickly because if something happens they will have to explain why they didn’t respond sooner. I don’t think they will take the risk.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 16/01/2024 12:39

Ballygowenwater · 16/01/2024 12:26

They are clearly breaking the new laws so you could report that however a dog knocking over your 3 yr old isn’t exactly dangerous or threatening behaviour that’s just an occupational hazard of being a small child in a public space.

Are people allowed to knock over random 3 year olds minding their own business too or just dogs?

Delatron · 16/01/2024 12:39

No dog should be in an unsecured front garden? Let alone one classed as a dangerous breed (with what appears to be bad owners). Report ASAP.

I’d be checking every time I left the house that it wasn’t there - especially if you have your child with you.

Crispsandwichrock · 16/01/2024 12:50

Frasers · 16/01/2024 12:16

I’m in two minds, I am sure the dog didn’t violently attack another dog, if the dog didn’t have any serious injuries. An xl bully violently attacking would seriously injure a smaller dog by default. So that looks like hyperbole to me.

the dog doesn’t need to be muzzled in its own garden or on lead, but the front garden is a concern.

looks like the dog though, whilst occasionally running off, has never really done anything, as much as you’ve tried to build a case? And that when out it’s muzzled and on lead as per the law?

OP has quite literally described the dog being outside not on a lead and not muzzled.

BitOutOfPractice · 16/01/2024 12:53

Ballygowenwater · 16/01/2024 12:26

They are clearly breaking the new laws so you could report that however a dog knocking over your 3 yr old isn’t exactly dangerous or threatening behaviour that’s just an occupational hazard of being a small child in a public space.

Tell us you're the owner of a "he's just being friendly" dog without telling us you're the owner of a "he's just being friendly" dog

Report it OP.

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