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Parents to be asked to solve school attendance crisis

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noblegiraffe · 07/01/2024 11:44

There is an article in the Times about the current school attendance crisis. It cannot be overstated how awful the attendance crisis is. Pupils, particularly disadvantaged pupils, are staying away from school in much larger numbers, and for more days than before covid.

It says that lockdowns broke the contract between parents and schools which said that school attendance was compulsory.

It blames parents for keeping their children home when they have a minor illness or are slightly anxious about school.

It quotes Bridget Phillipson, Shadow Education Secretary as saying "If I were secretary of state, I’d be sending a very clear message to parents that every day at school matters, and that irresponsible parents who don’t care about sending their kids to school are harming other kids’ life chances, not just their own"

(Whereas current Education Secretary Gillian) "Keegan will expand a programme that gives children skipping school an attendance mentor who could drive or walk youngsters from their home to school in the morning or negotiate with head teachers on their behalf. She said: “Persistent absence is a hangover from the pandemic affecting schools around the world. Schools and the government cannot do this alone.

“Families play a big part in attendance and parents have a legal duty to make sure their children are at school. I know it can be hard to get children out of the door, especially when they are feeling a bit anxious or have a mild cough or cold, so we must rebuild the social contract between parents and schools and make sure everyone plays their part.”

While lockdowns are brought up, what is not mentioned is the utter state schools were in between lockdowns and after lockdowns. Children were being supervised in halls rather than being taught due to lack of teachers who were ill (and this is still happening now due to inability to recruit). Lack of teachers meaning that kids get endless cover which can be largely a waste of time. Children who are anxious about attending school are expected to get on with it while teachers who are unable to cope with the poor behaviour of students are signed off with stress. The experience of children in schools during and since covid can be extraordinarily shit.

Attendance is much lower in pupils from disadvantaged backgrounds. Child poverty is not mentioned - I was reading about a child who couldn't attend school because her mother needed to use the one pair of shoes they shared. Other children are needed to look after younger siblings while parents work because they can't afford childcare. How will this be solved by sending a car around?

But we also know that schools in disadvantaged areas are more likely to struggle to hire staff. What is the point in a child attending school when they don't have teachers? How will Keegan and Phillipson argue that one?

This bit is the most worrying:

"A Labour government, Phillipson said, would place more emphasis on absenteeism as part of the Ofsted inspection framework, with schools compelled to produce an annual report on attendance, off-rolling (removing a pupil without using a permanent exclusion) and safeguarding. Schools are required to submit weekly attendance records to the Department for Education but absenteeism does not have its own Ofsted criteria, instead falling under a broader category of “behaviour and attitudes”.
These reports would affect the Ofsted rating given to schools, which would also take into account the progress they have made in shrinking the attainment gap between disadvantaged pupils and their more affluent peers"

Linking an Ofsted grading to attendance will just doom schools in disadvantaged areas to low Ofsted grades at a time when Ofsted had just started to recognise that grading a school based on disadvantage was a bad idea.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/1d7eb40d-c4c4-4dcc-85ea-ad6f62c65b9c?shareToken=6c4b865c0c1b8626f2761a5ad733b608

Bridget Phillipson: Parents must save lockdown’s lost generation

The shadow education secretary takes aim at absenteeism as a poll reveals that one in four parents don’t think their child has to go to school each day

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/1d7eb40d-c4c4-4dcc-85ea-ad6f62c65b9c?shareToken=6c4b865c0c1b8626f2761a5ad733b608

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Fifteenth · 07/01/2024 14:00

Good to hear people saying this.

Sureaseggs44 · 07/01/2024 14:01

I do think children who have a long term illness ( my GS is under a london hospital ) should not constantly be marked down . There should be an allowance for that . When he gets to work he probably will have more help and understanding. So perhaps that’s a start separating those genuinely ill from those playing truant and not punishing parents and the school for that . And I agree that CAHMs needs more funding and help so certain diagnoses do not take so long .

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 07/01/2024 14:01

Parents get to make that call. School's percentages of pass rate at SATS or attendance are not as important as the overall wellbeing of the child.

Then schools should not be judged on their attendance figures. It's also worth remembering that not all parental decisions about whether to keep a child home from school are made in the interests of the child. Monitoring of attendance partly is, and certainly should be, about identifying kids who are missing school for more worrying or sinister reasons.

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ManyATrueWord · 07/01/2024 14:01

Why are the Tories not just moving the goalposts and declaring the problem solved? Like when they changed the definition of broadband to included 64kb ISDN. Just saying that required attendance is 85% and large chunks of the problem is gone eyeroll

noblegiraffe · 07/01/2024 14:01

Sumsummer · 07/01/2024 13:31

This thread just reminded me of the emails we used to get about the teachers baking whilst I was struggling to work and supervise 3 children's learning from home.

I went into my old email and searched teacher and baking and found one of those emails. I'm pretty sure there were more emails about the leisurely activities they used to take but I only searched baking.

What you seem to have missed about these jolly emails about teachers enjoying baking and reading is that they are addressed to your children, not you.

It would have been entirely unsuitable to write the real picture of “Mrs X is mourning her father who has just died and whose funeral she can’t attend, Mr Y is struggling to homeschool his kids who are crying and screaming at him all the time and Ms Z is desperately delivering food to hungry children while trying to make urgent safeguarding referrals but no one is picking up the phone”

Putting on a jolly face to the kids was hugely important, which I assume as a parent you were also trying to do.

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porridgeisbae · 07/01/2024 14:02

It is down to the parents at the end of the day. Are the supposed fines not being enforced?

noblegiraffe · 07/01/2024 14:03

@Fifteenth replying to a post doesn’t quote it so no one knows what you are replying to. You need to go to the three dots in the top right of the post and select quote instead.

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ichundich · 07/01/2024 14:03

Superduper02 · 07/01/2024 13:55

I think the state need to remember that children belong to their parents, not to the state/school. If parents make choices for their children's best interests, then those should be respected. Keeping children away from school for physical or mental illness orn on the other end of the spectrum, for travelling the world then that is totally legit. Parents get to make that call. School's percentages of pass rate at SATS or attendance are not as important as the overall wellbeing of the child. If you disagree, feel free to do so to yourself. You won't change my mind.

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Children don't "belong" to anyone, and the state has a legal duty to give then an education because sadly enough parents wouldn't.

porridgeisbae · 07/01/2024 14:04

I do think children who have a long term illness ( my GS is under a london hospital ) should not constantly be marked down . There should be an allowance for that . When he gets to work he probably will have more help and understanding. So perhaps that’s a start separating those genuinely ill from those playing truant and not punishing parents and the school for that

Absolutely, of course.

FrippEnos · 07/01/2024 14:05

Sumsummer · 07/01/2024 13:31

This thread just reminded me of the emails we used to get about the teachers baking whilst I was struggling to work and supervise 3 children's learning from home.

I went into my old email and searched teacher and baking and found one of those emails. I'm pretty sure there were more emails about the leisurely activities they used to take but I only searched baking.

I wonder how many of these emails are true.

Not that you didn't receive them as you clearly did, but the content contained within them.
Are they not meant as a keep the kids happy with jolly tails type of thing.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 07/01/2024 14:05

Cupcakes2024 · 07/01/2024 13:36

Could a system be created where people that want to learn in a safe and productive environment, go to x schools and everyone that does not want to attend formal education , is eg apprenticeship etc with different companies ?

But my EBSA daughter is really clever. Predicted 3 X * at A level, but couldn’t attend.

She wouldn’t want to do an apprenticeship.

FrippEnos · 07/01/2024 14:06

Sureaseggs44 · 07/01/2024 14:01

I do think children who have a long term illness ( my GS is under a london hospital ) should not constantly be marked down . There should be an allowance for that . When he gets to work he probably will have more help and understanding. So perhaps that’s a start separating those genuinely ill from those playing truant and not punishing parents and the school for that . And I agree that CAHMs needs more funding and help so certain diagnoses do not take so long .

I am against attendance awards. and penalising for bad attendance, each case should be on its own merits, but then we would need many more people in schools and services to be able for that to happen.

Prisecco2 · 07/01/2024 14:09

Its sen
Lack of nhs referral/ school identification and support
Wait lists

Why can melatonin not be bought over the counter?

holidays uk or abroad
The demand is high.
High price
Bad uk weather
Short holidays
Everything crowded (also not great for any kid let alone sen)

kids do 0 work at end of term and that could be a whole week!!
I find this shocking (having gone private and never seen a film at school..)
Its even at secondary

Covid highlighted not much extra curriculum seems to be needed at primary

Nhs - things like tonsils. The lack of removal is not in the child (or probably their contact's interests)
Agree re appointments. Some after school or weekends would be great.
Even dentists ours does only 1 evening. But that is good...

Lack of setting at school.
How you can have kids so far behind they cant sit the y6 sats but then put them in mixed ability!

Its not even classroom disruption by badly behaved kids or sen kids its all the extra teacher time. Some kids have to have all the teacher parent senco meetings regularly.

I also think lack of proper secondary homework and 0 marking and feedback doesnt help. As its hard to do a test with no practice.

But like a pp even if you have ed psych saying - child would benefit from not going to assembly and xyz. School no cant manage that. But how? Its 2 form entry there would be other kids not going.

Likewise i said dc isnt coping with pe (causing hitting etc etc) teacher - no has fo do pe.

In terms of general kids but also especially sen do people not realise its not nice having to sit for carpet time - its uncomfortable, they are too close, my eldest would bite her whole fingers away.

I may take dc2 out for 1 day this year. As the inset days now dont match up...

Having been to a theme park on an inset day it was hugely busy!

OriginalUsername2 · 07/01/2024 14:09

Along with all the reasons mentioned by everyone else, another reason I personally lost any respect for my dd’s school is because they spent a good few years obsessed with lgbt awareness, rainbows everywhere, pronoun badges for teachers and fundraisers for stonewall. She spent 2 years genuinely distressed and thinking she was a boy, then another year angry and embarrassed about it all.

I sent a carefully drafted email to the head trying to reasonably explain why supporting stonewall was a bad idea with links to evidence about mermaids, stonewall and schools. I was basically told “Your right to withdraw your child from the event is respected, kind regards, bye.” with no acknowledgement of any of the information.

fluffyguineapig · 07/01/2024 14:10

My DS8 hasn't been to school for six months because the school that's named on his EHCP can't fulfill it. Literally nobody cares, I call the LA all the time and on the rare occasion someone even answers it's just a shrug.

If and when he finally gets back to school and they start lecturing me about "every day counts" I will laugh in their face.

user09767 · 07/01/2024 14:10

forcedfun · 07/01/2024 12:12

Plus all the stupid awards for attendance mean my children with underlying conditions get more illness because other parents send their children in when they are contagious

Agree with this. My DS has viral wheeze and has been in hospital due to 'minor illness' being passed around.

Milkybarsareonmeeeee · 07/01/2024 14:10

ichundich · 07/01/2024 14:03

Children don't "belong" to anyone, and the state has a legal duty to give then an education because sadly enough parents wouldn't.

@ichundich of course children “belong” to someone. They for sure belong more to the parent who birthed them than the state!

@Superduper02 totally agree

Ligglepiggle · 07/01/2024 14:11

The school calendar doesn’t help in some cases. Apparently attendance is low often on the last day of term, for us last summer, the last ‘day’ was a Monday finishing at 1pm. I can understand why parents find that a hindrance if working and taking the whole week off work.

JadziaD · 07/01/2024 14:12

FrippEnos · 07/01/2024 13:31

I am not denying that some very poor decisions were made,
But there was no guidance and all schools were left to go their own way,
Meaning that schools had to balance so much more that "just" providing lessons.
On the usual scale some did very well, others did extremely poorly.

But passing an experience or several experiences as the only thing that happened is wrong, and I will continue to keep saying that no matter how much it annoys certain posters.

But no one is saying that? Most people are making the point that in their personal experience, it went wrong and explaining that is why they feel less inclined to support the schools their children go to. The problem is that the ratio of schools who got it right vs those who got it wrong is not a great one. And as you point out, even schools that tried hard, struggled because they weren't getting any more support at their level than we, the parents, were getting at ours.

The high school DS is now at was actually one of the schools that, from all the reports I've seen and read, got it right (or as right as they could) in lockdown. I suspect that has played a part in the fact that the school overall is continuing to do well and is seeing improvements in everything across the board - there is significant goodwill between the staff and the parents and that translates into a better system.

Workworkandmoreworknow · 07/01/2024 14:14

porridgeisbae · 07/01/2024 14:04

I do think children who have a long term illness ( my GS is under a london hospital ) should not constantly be marked down . There should be an allowance for that . When he gets to work he probably will have more help and understanding. So perhaps that’s a start separating those genuinely ill from those playing truant and not punishing parents and the school for that

Absolutely, of course.

You'd think it would be that easy, wouldn't you? I am a teacher and therefore understand the pressures schools are under as regards attendance. My child has a serious condition and unfortunately, has had a difficult term with the odd day's absence here and there. Following a seizure and a couple of days in hospital, we received a 'first stage attendance warning' from his head of year. I bit my lip and phoned him and innocently said 'did you mean to send that letter?'. Yes, yes he did. I am afraid I let rip - quoted all the disability/equality stuff I could at him. Reminded him that he wouldn't have sent that letter to a child on, say, dialysis so why was he sending it to us? He then embarassed himself by saying he knew nothing about my child's condition. Let's just say he does now!

So if you're reading this as a member of school staff with pastoral responsibilities, not all children are made equal. Some of them won't acheive the magic 95% no matter what you threaten their parents with. And for the love of all things educational, if you have a child in your year group with any named condition, do read up on it. The consequences in our situation is that the relationship between parent and school is now broken beyond repair. All they needed to do was call me. And review the evidence I had already sent them. And maybe remember that I had two other children go through the school, one of which had his first day off in Year 11.

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 07/01/2024 14:15

What are schools doing to make so many of them hate going?

The more schools and teachers are made solely accountable for the attainment of pupils, and the wider the range of things that Ofsted can judge schools for, the more pressure (limited though their powers are) schools will put on students to behave, do their work etc. Most kids would a) rather be gaming or hanging out b) don't like being made to do what they don't want to do and c) understandably dislike the atmosphere created by this constant conflict of interests (and often hate the poor behaviour of other kids, if they are one of the well-behaved ones.

Lots of kids always hated going to school imo. These days they (and their parents) are just less resigned to that, and more inclined to vote with their feet. I work in a genuinely lovely school, which lots of the kids genuinely like. There are still those who hate it though.

Comedycook · 07/01/2024 14:16

Nhs - things like tonsils. The lack of removal is not in the child (or probably their contact's interests)

Agree ..my ds had so much tonsillitis during his primary years. It was probably counted for the vast majority of his absences. But like most things in this country there's no thought as to how one rule or policy affects another.

Magnoliasunrise · 07/01/2024 14:16

I work with primary level kids with autism and although the UK figures say around 1% kids with SEN diagnosis I think the actual figure (undiagnosed) is more like 10%. I really feel for those parents trying and struggling to get their kids into school each day but I also feel for the teachers who are facing difficult work conditions on a daily basis. It is not productive to blame either side.
There needs to be more funding in Education, more support staff and more SEN development.

Sumsummer · 07/01/2024 14:17

My children didn't find comfort in those emails. They would ask me why they had to do work and no one else did.

I most definitely did jnt find comfort as I was getting no reply to the work I was sending in.

Wolfpa · 07/01/2024 14:18

I agree with them, parents do need to take more responsibility for their children’s education.

I am seeing a huge increase in an attitude that parents have that it is the schools problem and the schools rules that are the issue rather than the child’s home life.

as parents you have a responsibility to raise functioning adults and this starts at home.