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Parents to be asked to solve school attendance crisis

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noblegiraffe · 07/01/2024 11:44

There is an article in the Times about the current school attendance crisis. It cannot be overstated how awful the attendance crisis is. Pupils, particularly disadvantaged pupils, are staying away from school in much larger numbers, and for more days than before covid.

It says that lockdowns broke the contract between parents and schools which said that school attendance was compulsory.

It blames parents for keeping their children home when they have a minor illness or are slightly anxious about school.

It quotes Bridget Phillipson, Shadow Education Secretary as saying "If I were secretary of state, I’d be sending a very clear message to parents that every day at school matters, and that irresponsible parents who don’t care about sending their kids to school are harming other kids’ life chances, not just their own"

(Whereas current Education Secretary Gillian) "Keegan will expand a programme that gives children skipping school an attendance mentor who could drive or walk youngsters from their home to school in the morning or negotiate with head teachers on their behalf. She said: “Persistent absence is a hangover from the pandemic affecting schools around the world. Schools and the government cannot do this alone.

“Families play a big part in attendance and parents have a legal duty to make sure their children are at school. I know it can be hard to get children out of the door, especially when they are feeling a bit anxious or have a mild cough or cold, so we must rebuild the social contract between parents and schools and make sure everyone plays their part.”

While lockdowns are brought up, what is not mentioned is the utter state schools were in between lockdowns and after lockdowns. Children were being supervised in halls rather than being taught due to lack of teachers who were ill (and this is still happening now due to inability to recruit). Lack of teachers meaning that kids get endless cover which can be largely a waste of time. Children who are anxious about attending school are expected to get on with it while teachers who are unable to cope with the poor behaviour of students are signed off with stress. The experience of children in schools during and since covid can be extraordinarily shit.

Attendance is much lower in pupils from disadvantaged backgrounds. Child poverty is not mentioned - I was reading about a child who couldn't attend school because her mother needed to use the one pair of shoes they shared. Other children are needed to look after younger siblings while parents work because they can't afford childcare. How will this be solved by sending a car around?

But we also know that schools in disadvantaged areas are more likely to struggle to hire staff. What is the point in a child attending school when they don't have teachers? How will Keegan and Phillipson argue that one?

This bit is the most worrying:

"A Labour government, Phillipson said, would place more emphasis on absenteeism as part of the Ofsted inspection framework, with schools compelled to produce an annual report on attendance, off-rolling (removing a pupil without using a permanent exclusion) and safeguarding. Schools are required to submit weekly attendance records to the Department for Education but absenteeism does not have its own Ofsted criteria, instead falling under a broader category of “behaviour and attitudes”.
These reports would affect the Ofsted rating given to schools, which would also take into account the progress they have made in shrinking the attainment gap between disadvantaged pupils and their more affluent peers"

Linking an Ofsted grading to attendance will just doom schools in disadvantaged areas to low Ofsted grades at a time when Ofsted had just started to recognise that grading a school based on disadvantage was a bad idea.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/1d7eb40d-c4c4-4dcc-85ea-ad6f62c65b9c?shareToken=6c4b865c0c1b8626f2761a5ad733b608

Bridget Phillipson: Parents must save lockdown’s lost generation

The shadow education secretary takes aim at absenteeism as a poll reveals that one in four parents don’t think their child has to go to school each day

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/1d7eb40d-c4c4-4dcc-85ea-ad6f62c65b9c?shareToken=6c4b865c0c1b8626f2761a5ad733b608

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Sirzy · 09/01/2024 07:26

Ds schools where both fantastic through lockdown, he was working 1-1 with his Ta via teams for a big chunk of the day.

that doesn’t mean we aren’t still struggling with the knock on it has all had on his social and emotional development but that was a lot harder for me or school to properly protect. When you have spent years building him up to actually sort of like the company of peers to then say “actually no you can’t see them”, or have spent years building his confidence to go out to then have to say “actually no don’t dare leave the house” it can’t not have an impact! Not helped by the fact he was clinically vulnerable.

if it wasn’t for the fact we have fallen lucky with schools and so issues we have tackled have been able to be tackled pretty well then his attendance would be much worse. But I have had to fight the system to make sure his echp actually meets his needs and provides what he needs.

noblegiraffe · 09/01/2024 07:31

Sunsea21 · 09/01/2024 06:48

so you did part of your job while homeschooling your own children? While others had to actually work full time and also homeschool their own. Setting work is not teaching students

Mate, I did part of my job which was recording Loom lessons, between 10pm and 1-2am when you were probably in bed, because that was the time the house was quiet enough to do it.

Obviously as time went on I was then teaching online in between homeschooling my children, phoning kids at home, marking and still recording loom lessons at 1am.

It was a shit, shit time and any suggestion that I had it easy compared to others can get in the bin, tbh.

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plumberdrain · 09/01/2024 07:33

noblegiraffe · 09/01/2024 07:31

Mate, I did part of my job which was recording Loom lessons, between 10pm and 1-2am when you were probably in bed, because that was the time the house was quiet enough to do it.

Obviously as time went on I was then teaching online in between homeschooling my children, phoning kids at home, marking and still recording loom lessons at 1am.

It was a shit, shit time and any suggestion that I had it easy compared to others can get in the bin, tbh.

and that was part time? how many contracted hours a week?

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noblegiraffe · 09/01/2024 07:34

Teachers don't have contracted hours. We do the hours required to discharge our professional duties.

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daffodilandtulip · 09/01/2024 07:52

Is the social media person for the DfE actually ok?

Yesterday:
He's had a runny nose but now he's loving school. Get your kid in.
She's anxious about school but she's fine now. Get your kid in.

Now:
Some schools might be closed for snow. Oh that's ok then.

LadyBird1973 · 09/01/2024 07:53

I know some teachers who worked really hard and others who had time to renovate their houses. Like in all walks of life, there are people who bust their arses to do their job well and others who will literally do the bare minimum they can get away with!

CherryBlossom321 · 09/01/2024 08:01

Pollythenurse · 08/01/2024 19:18

I'm sorry but I have to say there is an awful lot of soft parenting going on here. Kids need structure and SEN kids need it more! Stop making excuses parents, and get your children to engage whilst awaiting diagnosis etc.. These children are losing years of their educational lives and you will all really regret this in the long term. Take your kid to school and sit with them in class if need be. You had the child - take the responsibility.

😂

Pollythenurse · 09/01/2024 08:03

How did you come to that conclusion?

plumberdrain · 09/01/2024 08:19

noblegiraffe · 09/01/2024 07:34

Teachers don't have contracted hours. We do the hours required to discharge our professional duties.

what does your part time mean then? how many days?

gemma19846 · 09/01/2024 08:22

I do agree but it was schools that didnt want children in during covid. Teachers acted like they were on covid front line wards! Alot of other people were still working but teachers kept making a big song and dance about having to work and how "at risk" they were. Then add into that the strikes. I think parents are abit more "relaxed" about school attendance but schools set that presidence during covid. Also government rules keeping a whole class off school for 10 days if one child coughed. Absolute nonsense. Im still very strict about attendance and only keep them off if theyre quite poorly but we do take our holiday abroad during term time now which we wouldnt have done before covid. I dont think teachers and the government can moan about attendence when they let our kids down so badly for 2 years!

Araminta1003 · 09/01/2024 08:30

Regarding term time holidays, obviously kids should not miss school in Year 10/11 or year 13 or the settling in period of year 7 or maybe also for Sats. But kids who are doing well in school and a miss a few days before Christmas in primary when they don’t do anything much anyway, there is a big difference.
It is a bit like the guidelines for drinking in pregnancy. If you have one small red wine in the second or trimester every few weeks it is very far from being an alcoholic during the first trimester. How stupid do they think we are? Lots of holidays are actually far more enriching than what they do at school. I took mine to France when they were younger on a proper history trip and got them to order stuff in French etc. Also took them to lots of museums in Italy on a round trip and Washington DC. Sorry but they learnt far more on those trips with me than at school.

Anothenamechange · 09/01/2024 08:30

anothernamechangeagainsndagain · 07/01/2024 12:39

The problem existed before covid. Dd1 went to school in an area with a large low income population and getting the parents to send their kids to school was a nightmare - I was at the school a lot, send issues, and got to know staff well, they were very honest with me - parents kept their teens home to look after younger kid, keep them company, because they couldn't be bothered to wake them and most of all because they couldn't see the point of going to school 14+ obviously lots of individual reasons but not valuing education was the main one. They had staff that went around fetching students by minibus, there were showers, washing machines, free breakfast and a multitude of other interventions to help mitigate crap living conditions, send department was excellent. You can do everything as a school but parent apathy is hard to overcome. That school gets a new head parachuted in every couple of years at great expense to the LEA including ones who have turned around schools elsewhere yet they cannot overcome the parents not sending them to school

This. Lots of people on here complaining-quite legitimately-that their ND children are expected to behave as NT children and they can't manage school. That's a part of it, as is lack of CAMHS support. There some appalling examples of poverty on here too which also go towards explaining lack of attendance.

However (ducks for cover) no small part is down to shit, lazy parenting. The sorts of parents who turn up to school in their pyjamas, who can't be arsed to read to/with their kids, who never brush their teeth, who feed them crap....their kids aren't going to be getting a good attendance and it's definitely got worse since covid. I'm a teacher and school governor and this level of parent apathy has got worse beyond a shadow of doubt, despite support.

I think there is a wider conversation to be had about how people have changed behaviour in terms of self-respect, respect for others and levels of aggression since Covid. I've really noticed that people seem to be more aggressive, have shortened attention spans and a complete lack of empathy. We've accepted crap customer service after everyone started working from home. I think this is feeding through into Gen Z-who did their a levels and university degrees online-who equate actual mental illness with feeling stressed. I don't know what the answer is.

plumberdrain · 09/01/2024 08:35

i have HUGE respect for teachers
I could not do it and, if i was forced to for some reason, i would not be a good one.

however - i think the teaching profession during covid did not cover themselves in glory. They really did seem to think they had it quite uniquely badly. And they didn’t, and we knew that.

plumberdrain · 09/01/2024 08:36

However (ducks for cover) no small part is down to shit, lazy parenting. The sorts of parents who turn up to school in their pyjamas, who can't be arsed to read to/with their kids, who never brush their teeth, who feed them crap....their kids aren't going to be getting a good attendance and it's definitely got worse since covid.

and the reality is - very very little can ever be done to make a difference. It’s a tragedy but that’s the reality.

plumberdrain · 09/01/2024 08:36

However (ducks for cover) no small part is down to shit, lazy parenting. The sorts of parents who turn up to school in their pyjamas, who can't be arsed to read to/with their kids, who never brush their teeth, who feed them crap....their kids aren't going to be getting a good attendance and it's definitely got worse since covid.

and the reality is - very very little can ever be done to make a difference. It’s a tragedy but that’s the reality.

Araminta1003 · 09/01/2024 08:37

And I would also like to add that because I did actually homeschool as well as work I am quite good at teaching 1:1 myself now. Genuinely so. I have learnt all the techniques that work for my youngest and how to explain in different ways. So there is that too. Had the Twinkl subscription, read all the national curriculum etc - we had to do it. It became very clear that I can achieve more in 1-2 hours a day 1:1 than they do at school in 6 hours. Obviously school is about a lot more than the academic part but I am confident I could cover up to year 8 no problem with the right resources.

echt · 09/01/2024 08:38

plumberdrain · 09/01/2024 08:35

i have HUGE respect for teachers
I could not do it and, if i was forced to for some reason, i would not be a good one.

however - i think the teaching profession during covid did not cover themselves in glory. They really did seem to think they had it quite uniquely badly. And they didn’t, and we knew that.

They really did seem to think they had it quite uniquely badly

Whenever someone says they know what someone thinks I call bullshit. What did they say? What did they do?

When someone claims to know what a whole profession does I call bullshit too.

Lazy.

plumberdrain · 09/01/2024 08:39

echt · 09/01/2024 08:38

They really did seem to think they had it quite uniquely badly

Whenever someone says they know what someone thinks I call bullshit. What did they say? What did they do?

When someone claims to know what a whole profession does I call bullshit too.

Lazy.

seem to

noblegiraffe · 09/01/2024 08:41

plumberdrain · 09/01/2024 08:19

what does your part time mean then? how many days?

I’m in every day.

However, it is worth noting that to achieve standard full time contracted hours of about 40 hours a week, a teacher would need to be part time, about 80% of a teaching timetable to achieve that in term time.

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echt · 09/01/2024 08:43

Still a lazy get out.

Your'e saying it but not saying it, much as you avowed HUGE respect for teachers than generalised madly about how awful the whole profession was with "seem to think".

Tsk tsk.

LittleMyTopKnot · 09/01/2024 08:47

I still think the social contract with the school is irrevocably broken. Covid, strikes, bad school provision, I really don’t care anymore.

I am sure that there are a lot of amazing teachers out there (my sister is one) but the provision for my DC is appalling. When you are the one researching the curriculum, buying the books, making a plan and forcing your children to do work (taking their achievement from bottom of class toward the top in most subject, still working on some), you stop caring about the school that much.

I give 1.5 hours of 1:2 school support every evening (2 DC). I have 4 hours + every weekend of 1:2 school support. I know more about maths, English, science, geography and history than I ever wanted to know. I learned to mark my children’s essays (I hate this) based on marking schemes.

If I judge that my child is better off at home with a sore throat, on the sofa, working on MY set work, I believe that I am justified in making that call. DS came home before Christmas and told me that his teacher had said that due to poor behaviour in the class, they were behind the curriculum. I told him not to worry, I will cover that (I actually think we already have).

There are a lot of reasons for parents ignoring the school. I cannot imagine how hard it is for parents of ND children. But fundamentally, this started with appalling provision during Covid for us. When children came back, many had such bad behaviour that my children were unable to learn. Our teachers didn’t even bother to tell me that my children were failing academically.

@noblegiraffe , I am not supportive in general because my children have been so badly failed. I also have carer responsibilities and and I am exhausted. I will deal with my children, they will behave in school and learn (mainly at home) but I honestly don’t have energy for this fight in general. For me it is every man/woman for their own.

For a teacher to improve the relationship with me on a 1:1 basis, talk to me. Tell me what you are doing in school with my DC, how I can support that and where my DC in your opinion would benefit from extra work. This never happens. The little contact I have had is beyond generic. Nobody cares.

I would support the school in general if I felt supported. At the moment I really don’t.

angela1952 · 09/01/2024 08:51

We know a child who was in care during lockdown and actually went to school all the way though it. Whether it was due to the school, to large or mixed age classes or the teachers working there we don't know, but when she was adopted at age 5 she couldn't read or write at all and had virtually no maths skills. Her new school was pretty good and did help but she was still very behind and tried to avoid going to school for any reason as she felt different to the other children and sadly was bullied.
She is now at a new school and this school uses their extra funding to help children, both those who have been in care and those who suffered because of lockdown. The school is set up to assess EVERY child and to provide extra help for EVERY child who needs it. The impact on her has been astounding, she's progressed and is keen to go to school every day.
Sadly poverty is another matter, the school can do absolutely nothing about a child who has no shoes.

noblegiraffe · 09/01/2024 08:51

Do people link the crap experience their kids are having at school, the lack of contact, the poor teaching with the systematic government underfunding, the lack of staff and the critical shortage of teachers?

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plumberdrain · 09/01/2024 08:53

noblegiraffe · 09/01/2024 08:41

I’m in every day.

However, it is worth noting that to achieve standard full time contracted hours of about 40 hours a week, a teacher would need to be part time, about 80% of a teaching timetable to achieve that in term time.

How has that been concluded?

plumberdrain · 09/01/2024 08:54

noblegiraffe · 09/01/2024 08:51

Do people link the crap experience their kids are having at school, the lack of contact, the poor teaching with the systematic government underfunding, the lack of staff and the critical shortage of teachers?

Since joining the teaching profession, have you regarded any period as a positive one where you have felt the government has been in support of teachers and you have been satisfied and enjoyed your job?

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