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My mother is not very nice and she's getting worse as she ages

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PremiumPony · 01/01/2024 09:43

A few months ago a neighbour of mine died. She was an older woman in her late 70s. She was lovely friendly lady. Her family were grown and all around the world doing their own thing except for one son who remained at home. He was in his 50s. I will give him the initial A for this post. It's not his real initial.

Ever since the woman dies my mother has showed a huge abdunance of concern for the man and my mother has started conversations with me many times focusing on the man. Saying things like

  • I can see that home now turn to rot
  • I can see him turn to drink
  • I wonder does he even know how to pay bills
  • he wasn't allowed to do anything
  • she did everything for him

The first few weeks after the woman died, I engaged in conversation with my mother but I realised that this was nearly turning into an obsession with my mother.

She would criticise the woman who died for babying her adult son and doing everything for him and my mother would even become angry. I realised that this isn't a normal, healthy response. I would change the subject and get busy and walk out from the room and not engage with my mother about her conversations on the neighbour. My mother is someone who I think should be focusing on herself and her own life instead of being concerned and worried about the neighbours.

The kicker in all of this, I had brothers living at home and my mother was exactly the same as that woman and if anything my mother was worse. At least the neighbour charged her son a 'housekeeping' charge of 50 pounds a week. My mother never even took 50p of any of my brothers and often getting into debt over bills because she allowed all of my brothers even as adults to live at home and not pay anything and she supported them in every way. She bought their food and cooked for them and did laundry and she did everything for my brothers.

I find it hypocritical how my mother is getting angry over a dead neighbour because she has a son in his 50s living at home and my mother has dreamt up a scenario where clearly the man can't do anything for himself and she's angry even though she is engaged in the very same behaviour.

I bit my tongue and I held back my words to my mother and I never pointed out the similarities.

I have a brother home from abroad on holidays for the Christmas. It's great to see him. She's doing everything for him. Cleaning his room every day and cooking for him. She's doing the very behaviours that she was critising our dead neighbour about. My brother is gone away for a few days over the new year. Last night she came into me in the sitting room showing me a box that she found in his room. She found jewellery that he bought in his room. For his girlfriend. She opened the box and shoved it into my face and asked me to open the jewellery. I told her that there was a clasp on it but it's very small and delicate and I asked her to leave it back and I refused to open the jewellery for her to try on.

She went snooping in his room invading his privacy and trying to try on the jewellery he bought for his girlfriend. Its horrible behaviour from her. She had no right to snoop in his room and dress it up as her cleaning his room when it wasn't.

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MintJulia · 01/01/2024 09:54

Old women with little to do have been criticising their neighbours, especially in private, since the world started. My dm reinvented whole decades of memories and used them to speculate about and criticise her neighbours.

It's hypocritical but fairly norrmal.

I used to address it head on, tell my dm that our neighbours were normal kind people with private lives and how they ran them was none of my, or her, business. And then change the subject.

GreatGateauxsby · 01/01/2024 10:03

Old women people with little to do have been criticising their neighbours, especially in private, since the world started.

this in spades.

my mil/fil are only in their 60s and obsessed with every fucking detail of their neighbours life. Mil hasn’t even retired yet…

my mother also loves a protracted tale about the neighbours although hers and generally fair benign…

user8800 · 01/01/2024 10:07

My mum is the same

She has a very poor memory of my childhood for sure

jackstini · 01/01/2024 10:20

The jewellery thing is bang out of order. She needs to stay out if his private stuff! Will you tell him?

Her being annoyed at neighbour and having rose-tinted glasses about her own mothering is annoying but normal

Did she always do everything for your brothers, but not for you?

Cherrysoup · 01/01/2024 10:28

My brother came to look after my mum earlier this year. He complained that all she did was spy on the neighbours, had no hobbies, didn’t watch tv, just stared out the window and spoke about the neighbours. Is it an older person thing? One of our elderly neighbours tells us he knows if we’re going to work or walking the dogs by the direction we go out of the street!

tescocreditcard · 01/01/2024 10:28

Yes it's very common among old people.

I just used to tell my mum "stop bloody moaning all the time, I don't wanna hear that" - and she did at least stop moaning. Till the next time.😀

festivetinseling · 01/01/2024 10:53

DH and I are both in our 60's - he'll be 70 soon, and neither of us have the slightest interest in our neighbours' lives or what they are doing. So it isn't an age thing. Maybe it is having nothing better to do.

Skimm · 01/01/2024 11:02

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PremiumPony · 01/01/2024 12:19

jackstini · 01/01/2024 10:20

The jewellery thing is bang out of order. She needs to stay out if his private stuff! Will you tell him?

Her being annoyed at neighbour and having rose-tinted glasses about her own mothering is annoying but normal

Did she always do everything for your brothers, but not for you?

I don't know what to do, if I should tell him or not. It was out of order for sure. She found a box in his room and took it to the sitting room where I was and asked me to open it. I saw a clasp but it looked to delicate and I wasn't going to open it and I asked her to leave it back in the room. All is she was peer in the box wondering how to open it. I kept thinking what if she drops it. It was bang out of order. She was looking for a receipt as well to see how much he spent on it.

A while later I was in the kitchen and I asked her if she left it back in his room and she said she did and then she ordered me around saying - don't you go into his room looking at it.

I'm never in his room. I also work hard during the week and my time off is valuable and snooping in another person's room is not on my radar. There she was accusing me of doing the very thing she's doing. I am actually astonished at the stupidity.

If I was to go into his room (maybe later when she's gone) it will be to ensure that she left it back and didn't take it from him.

It's horrible behaviour.

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PremiumPony · 01/01/2024 12:22

jackstini · 01/01/2024 10:20

The jewellery thing is bang out of order. She needs to stay out if his private stuff! Will you tell him?

Her being annoyed at neighbour and having rose-tinted glasses about her own mothering is annoying but normal

Did she always do everything for your brothers, but not for you?

Yes she always did everything for them - cooking, laundry, paying for their food and bills and everything.

I don't expect her to do things for me like what she does for them but I wish she didn't play favourites. I wishe she wasn't so completely absorbed in men to the degree that she nearly hates women.

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Fraaahnces · 01/01/2024 12:41

I’d tell your brother about the jewellery and get him to check it’s all still there.

CurlyhairedAssassin · 01/01/2024 12:53

I kept thinking what if she drops it. It was bang out of order. She was looking for a receipt as well to see how much he spent on it.

Surely that's the point where you immediatley say "Mum! Put it back, you're bang out of order snooping in a grown man's room like that and picking up his private things. As for trying to find out the price, words fail me!"

etc etc. She'll never think she's in the wrong unless you tell her so.

TurkeyTwizlers · 01/01/2024 13:05

Does she spend a lot of time on her own normally? I think it makes a lot of people a bit mad and obsessive.
Humans are meant to sociable and I think spending lots of time alone isn’t good for you. I’ve been at the end of this with a neighbour we now no longer speak to, and my MIL.

Supersimkin2 · 01/01/2024 13:11

Sigh. Women haters are never worth your time. She won’t change. Unless a man calls her on it, but she’s managing that by waiting on them hand and foot.

Avoid. She won’t be doing you any favours. You must be ashamed of her.

PremiumPony · 01/01/2024 13:13

CurlyhairedAssassin · 01/01/2024 12:53

I kept thinking what if she drops it. It was bang out of order. She was looking for a receipt as well to see how much he spent on it.

Surely that's the point where you immediatley say "Mum! Put it back, you're bang out of order snooping in a grown man's room like that and picking up his private things. As for trying to find out the price, words fail me!"

etc etc. She'll never think she's in the wrong unless you tell her so.

I think she is calculated. The fact that she targeted his room when he was gone and brought the piece of jewellery into the main living area when he was gone - she knew it was wrong from the offset of doing that. She knew what she was doing. She wanted to investigate the piece of jewellery that he bought for his girlfriend.

I asked her to leave it and alone and put it back.

She would never be able to tolerate a scolding like the way you described in your post.

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PremiumPony · 01/01/2024 13:20

TurkeyTwizlers · 01/01/2024 13:05

Does she spend a lot of time on her own normally? I think it makes a lot of people a bit mad and obsessive.
Humans are meant to sociable and I think spending lots of time alone isn’t good for you. I’ve been at the end of this with a neighbour we now no longer speak to, and my MIL.

Yes.

She has no real friends. Just acquaintances that she might see once in a while briefly while out for a walk.
She comes from a large family but none of them have anything to do with each other any more. She has some nice sisters but they keep to themselves.

All of my brothers reside abroad and she only ever cared for them and it's rare that they come home due to distance.

It's only me at home now. I thought about changing my work hours so that I could be at home more often and keep her company but she will never appreciate me so I throw myself into work. I'm really the only contact she has really daily and even at that, I would rather go to work and stay there so even that contact for her is waning.

This isn't intentional from me by the way. As she's aging and getting older she's getting more angry. Just today she had the heating on for a few hours this morning and we don't usually have it on for that long. I popped into the kitchen to make some coffee and mentioned that the heating has been on for a while, will I turn it off? All she did was throw abuse at me and I abondoned my coffee.

Rents in my area is so expensive now and I don't know where to go. She's not very nice until she wants something and she's so quick to flip out.

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PremiumPony · 01/01/2024 13:21

I encouraged her to take up hobbies but every suggestion was shot down and complained about so I gave up. I can't do it for her.

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Vinrouge4 · 01/01/2024 13:22

I think you should move out and get some independence.

PremiumPony · 01/01/2024 13:25

Supersimkin2 · 01/01/2024 13:11

Sigh. Women haters are never worth your time. She won’t change. Unless a man calls her on it, but she’s managing that by waiting on them hand and foot.

Avoid. She won’t be doing you any favours. You must be ashamed of her.

I think you summed it up very well. She only ever values my brothers and whatever they do or say.

I guess this post was just written in shock.

I kinda knew she has some bad qualities about her but for this. To see it in action.

To critise a dead neighbour for behaviours that she herself is engaged in and to keep it up.

Then to snoop in my brothers room and investigate the jewellery he bought while dressing it up as her cleaning his room.

Then bark crap at me.

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Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 01/01/2024 13:25

Vinrouge4 · 01/01/2024 13:22

I think you should move out and get some independence.

OP says she can’t afford to live independently.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 01/01/2024 13:37

Old women people with little to do have been criticising their neighbours, especially in private, since the world started.

Nice bit of ageism there.

Abergale · 01/01/2024 13:48

not that it really matters but unless I’m misunderstanding the two situations are totally different? Your brother is s guest having lived independently for a while and she is spoiling him rotten because she’s excited he’s home.
vs neighbours son having never left home or learnt how to live independently (supposedly).

and if you try to point out to her that she treated her boys the same way she will rightly point out that all of her boys grew up and flew the nest. You can’t really criticise them for taking a while to do so given you live at home yourself.

it sounds like you and your mum are just getting on each others nerves. Time for you to move out yourself maybe?

PremiumPony · 01/01/2024 14:00

Abergale · 01/01/2024 13:48

not that it really matters but unless I’m misunderstanding the two situations are totally different? Your brother is s guest having lived independently for a while and she is spoiling him rotten because she’s excited he’s home.
vs neighbours son having never left home or learnt how to live independently (supposedly).

and if you try to point out to her that she treated her boys the same way she will rightly point out that all of her boys grew up and flew the nest. You can’t really criticise them for taking a while to do so given you live at home yourself.

it sounds like you and your mum are just getting on each others nerves. Time for you to move out yourself maybe?

No, one of my brothers lived at home til last year and he was well into his 30s at that stage when he left. He never paid a bill, did any DIY, or cut grass or laundry. She would insist on buying his food and cooking for him but he would fight back on it but there were many times when he had to give up the fight for peace and let her do things. Everything was done for him.

I know what you are saying about ahvi g someone home and it's great he's home and I organised a lot for the Christmas and Christ's dinner and hopefully we put on a good Christmas at home for him.

All of my brothers were into their 30s when they left home and she did everything for them.

She's now crisitising a dead woman for babying her son into his 50s.
The last brother who left home last year, she cried for months after him a d prayed his adventures abroad wouldn't work out for him. She wanted him home. He stuck it out and he's doing well now, thank goodness. If it was up to her he would be still living at home and doing nothing and her doing everything for him. She's living her life through serving men because it's the only thing that's making her feel signifiant.

She's not babying me thank goodness. I have a lot of independence at home. I just can't afford my own roof over my head. Different situations.

I then witness that last night from her - snooping in his room and investigating jewellery while she dresses it up as cleaning.

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Orangesandlemons77 · 01/01/2024 14:14

You can't control how she is, you can control how you respond to it. She's unlikely to change. Google grey rock, might be helpful.