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Can a supervisor of a learner driver be prosecuted??

117 replies

Correc · 18/12/2023 13:25

My friend wants me to supervise him driving to North Wales which is a 3 hour drive from our area. I am aware that learners must display L or D plates and must not drive on motorways. However if he decides to not use L/D plates or drives on a motorway, obviously there is nothing I can do to stop him. Can I as the supervisor be prosecuted for anything if he gets caught by the police?

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SisterMichaelsHabit · 18/12/2023 14:49

HelpMeGetThrough · 18/12/2023 14:43

Just because the OP has been told, nobody can prove it.

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Of course they can prove it. He goes out for a drive, the police stop him, he's on his own in a car with a provisional. 🤷‍♀️ Unless he has a teleportation device to summon a designated supervisor, he's nicked.

goingtotown · 18/12/2023 14:51

Correc · 18/12/2023 13:44

Basically, he doesn’t want people to know that do is only provisional because he drives around in his own. He only told me recently, I was understanding as I know many people do it.

So he's breaking the law.

Luxell934 · 18/12/2023 14:51

And yeah there is something you can do to stop him and that would be refusing to get in the car unless he put the L or D plates on.

Then he really couldn’t go on the motorway as he could potentially be stopped by police.

Not sure why you would want to risk your own safety here either.

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HelpMeGetThrough · 18/12/2023 14:52

Of course they can prove it. He goes out for a drive, the police stop him, he's on his own in a car with a provisional. 🤷‍♀️ Unless he has a teleportation device to summon a designated supervisor, he's nicked.

The original post I was responding to said, as the OP knows he drives unsupervised, they are an accessory to it. That's what I was referring to, not the silly prick behind the wheel being pulled over by the Police.

Do keep up.

LiesDoNotBecomeUs · 18/12/2023 14:59

if he us good enough to drive alone... why has he not simply taken the test and passed?

Never get in the car with a confident and incompetent driver!

He isn't insured without L plates or on motorways.

if you go with him (or encourage him with sympathy) you are morally responsible for damage he does. (+it might be you he leaves drad or crippled snd unsupported by any insurance payout. )

RedToothBrush · 18/12/2023 15:06

Correc · 18/12/2023 14:24

My gut is saying no and these replies are confirming it. He doesn’t know anyone else who can supervise so if I say no he can’t go. I’m going to come across as a bitch but my gut is still saying no.

No you are not.

Make sure he knows he is being a cunty fucker for asking and putting you in this situation.

He's not your friend if he thinks you are being a bitch for saying no.

Learn some boundaries.

nmchg · 18/12/2023 15:08

So why can he not sit a test? If he's that confident in his abilities surely it's a pretty obvious next step? Or perhaps he only confident as long as nobody actually tests his ability, which tells us everything we need to know about his level of ability.
His awareness is already clearly lacking. Evidently no consideration for anyone or anything on the road- elderly, kids, babies, parents, couples, friends, young folk, animals, other cars, street furniture etc. Also why does it matter if someone sees him with L plates? How big a wanker is this guy?
He clearly couldn't give a shit about putting you in danger so why are you even calling him a friend? Raise your bar a bit OP and report your 'friend' before he kills himself or others.

YoullCatchYourDeathInTheFog · 18/12/2023 15:16

muddymudwater · 18/12/2023 14:46

Report him to the police. If he injured someone in an accident they would not get the insurance pay out they needed to pay for their ongoing care needs. People can end up with life long injuries and care needs. If he killed someone, their families would not get a payout to help them survive after the loss of a parent.

Driving without insurance ( as he is) is a disgustingly irresponsible thing to do.

Not actually true. The MIB (ie all the rest of us who do pay for car insurance) would pay out.

Tinkerbyebye · 18/12/2023 15:28

Correc · 18/12/2023 13:44

Basically, he doesn’t want people to know that do is only provisional because he drives around in his own. He only told me recently, I was understanding as I know many people do it.

@Correc

shame on you, I hope you are as understanding when he has an accident and possible kills someone

he is uninsured how would you feel if an uninsured driver hit you, your child, or your car

he needs reporting, not supervising on a bloody road trip

Reugny · 18/12/2023 15:30

YoullCatchYourDeathInTheFog · 18/12/2023 15:16

Not actually true. The MIB (ie all the rest of us who do pay for car insurance) would pay out.

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Also his insurers would have to pay out third party claims as he's insured if he is supervised.

(This is like the myths that you aren't insured if you don't have an in date MOT. )

Notmetoo · 18/12/2023 15:38

Correc · 18/12/2023 13:44

Basically, he doesn’t want people to know that do is only provisional because he drives around in his own. He only told me recently, I was understanding as I know many people do it.

And this is why there are so many accidents in the road. I don't think many people do it at all you must know a lot of very irresponsible people.
He shouldn't be doesn't such a drive if he hasn't passed his test. It's not safe for him but more importantly for the other people on the road.
I lost a close family member in an because of reckless driving. This person should be prosecuted for driving alone without passing his test. Don't enable him.

Lovemycat2023 · 18/12/2023 15:38

I spent some time in a magistrates court (observing) and saw a lot of people being prosecuted for driving on a provisional, and often also without insurance and MOT. I was always glad to see them off the road. These people aren’t safe, driving a car is a privilege. You shouldn’t be helping out someone who regularly drives when they shouldn’t.

maximist · 18/12/2023 15:41

If he's planning on driving along the A55 he needs to be aware that parts of it near Colwyn Bay have motorway restrictions, despite it being an A Road.

Whataretheodds · 18/12/2023 15:43

Correc · 18/12/2023 13:44

Basically, he doesn’t want people to know that do is only provisional because he drives around in his own. He only told me recently, I was understanding as I know many people do it.

Are you insane?

titchy · 18/12/2023 15:45

Correc · 18/12/2023 14:24

My gut is saying no and these replies are confirming it. He doesn’t know anyone else who can supervise so if I say no he can’t go. I’m going to come across as a bitch but my gut is still saying no.

Perhaps introduce him to the concept of a) public transport and b) the driving test.

His transport problems are not yours to solve.

Babyboomtastic · 18/12/2023 15:45

This isn't the same poster (under a different name) is it that posted a few days ago any her partner being busted by the police for driving (to and from work) on a provisional? They seem to have the same strange attitude that it's not a big deal, and it's a big coincidence in timing...

LyingLikeACheapCarpet · 18/12/2023 15:56

Oooooooh @Babyboomtastic

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Correc · 18/12/2023 16:04

He texted me that he can’t find the right insurance and I thought it’d be the right time to strike and say “maybe we should leave it until you’ve passed”.

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RedToothBrush · 18/12/2023 16:17

Correc · 18/12/2023 16:04

He texted me that he can’t find the right insurance and I thought it’d be the right time to strike and say “maybe we should leave it until you’ve passed”.

'can't find the right insurance'.

Bullshit.

Gillypie23 · 18/12/2023 16:17

If your supervising him. He won't put l plates on. I'd refuse to go with him.

catsnhats11 · 18/12/2023 16:20

Do "many people do this"?! I don't know of anyone, and having recently passed by test (as a mature learner!) I wouldn't have dreamed of driving without L plates or on my own before passing my test.

I can't believe you even have to consider doing this, if he can drive then why hasn't he passed his test? He should be reported to the police.

Original poster
Correc · 18/12/2023 16:25

@RedToothBrush Most insurance companies want the supervisor to be over 25. I’m 24.

He has just said he’ll keep looking even after I said I’d prefer to wait. Then I put there's too much responsibility and he said there isn’t. He won’t take no for an answer!!

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BlochAndRoll · 18/12/2023 16:29

Stop being such a wet lettuce op, your life will be happier for it.

RedToothBrush · 18/12/2023 16:30

Correc · 18/12/2023 16:25

@RedToothBrush Most insurance companies want the supervisor to be over 25. I’m 24.

He has just said he’ll keep looking even after I said I’d prefer to wait. Then I put there's too much responsibility and he said there isn’t. He won’t take no for an answer!!

Well there's a good enough get out of jail free card but he's still not your friend.

How old is this bloke?

YouveGotAFastCar · 18/12/2023 16:34

Correc · 18/12/2023 16:25

@RedToothBrush Most insurance companies want the supervisor to be over 25. I’m 24.

He has just said he’ll keep looking even after I said I’d prefer to wait. Then I put there's too much responsibility and he said there isn’t. He won’t take no for an answer!!

You're not saying no.

I really struggled with this too, and still do sometimes - but you're not saying no here, you're giving him reasons you can't, and he wants you to, so he's coming up with "solutions" or negating your reasons.

You have to be clearer and more confident in your no. It has to shut the conversation down. If there's any doubt, he'll use that space to try and convince you otherwise.