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Advice please, not sure if this is strictly legal

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hairbearbunches · 11/12/2023 13:15

Hi all,
just looking for some advice on a situation that may be putting someone vulnerable in a difficult position. A family member has a severely autistic child and her other grown up daughter, also autistic and living at home, has just got herself a paid position looking after her but she has to give a different address in order to do the job. She also has a different surname as she only shares a mother with her sister. She's done some training and been successfully appraised and the wider family have been told by the mother of both children that it's all perfectly fine and it was suggested by an NHS professional that her other daughter take up the role as long as a different address was used...but it doesn't sound right to me if you're having to give a different address and not strictly telling the truth. The address she has given is her grandmother's and I am concerned if this is as dodgy as it appears, then the grandmother, who just wants to help, will be complicit if they get caught, with whatever ramifications may come from it. I don't know my way around the system at all so am clueless as to whether this sort of thing goes on generally, but I always thought that family carers could only claim carer's allowance, which is what the mother already does. The job entails night shifts in case her sister needs anything, but to all intents and purposes she's not doing any looking after at all, because her mother is always on hand. Can anyone shed any light on whether this is absolutely above board, sharp practice, or worse?

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blacksax · 11/12/2023 13:25

The carers allowance for full-time carers is abysmal, and to all intents and purposes, an almost worthless £76.75 a week. How does that compensate for being unable to work to support your family and being on duty 24/7?

If this option has been suggested by professionals in order to help the family, then please keep well out of it.

SignoraItaliana · 11/12/2023 13:28

As professionals have suggested this arrangement I would imagine it is all above board.

Rosscameasdoody · 11/12/2023 13:32

I think you need to keep out of it. It doesn’t sound as though anything dodgy is going on if it’s been suggested by a professional who knows the family and is aware of the needs. This may be the best way of meeting those needs - the older daughter will be more familiar with the needs of her sibling and may have been judged by the professional as the best person for the job. It could be as simple as the older daughter securing a paid carers’ position, or direct payment for care has been secured from the council, but being at the same address would technically constitute a conflict of interest. If it doesn’t impact the quality of the care being given, I woudn’t interfere.

Smugandproud · 11/12/2023 14:03

Far nicer for the sister to have a trained family member carrying out her care as someone has to do it. The dsis is doing the job with the mum, that’s good for the whole family.

I suggest you be more supportive and less judgmental.

BerriesNutsConkers · 11/12/2023 14:12

Sounds like it's being paid for out of Direct Payments............usually a household member isn't able to be employed but it can happen in some circumstances.

CornishPorsche · 11/12/2023 14:14

Good for them.

Alphabet1spaghetti2 · 11/12/2023 14:17

Can’t see a problem. It’s a solid solution.

Couchpotato3 · 11/12/2023 14:19

None of your business, unless you are one of the individuals involved

hairbearbunches · 11/12/2023 15:13

BerriesNutsConkers · 11/12/2023 14:12

Sounds like it's being paid for out of Direct Payments............usually a household member isn't able to be employed but it can happen in some circumstances.

Thanks for that info. As far as I know, the sister can't live at the same address in order for her to have the job. She is living there half the week and using the Grandmother's address for the purposes of having an alternative place to live. She isn't really doing any caring. She's supposed to be covering night shift and staying up while the rest of the house is asleep, but this is definitely not happening.

I don't have any feelings on how the family are choosing to play this, my main concern is for the elderly person whose address they are using in case there is any fallout for her. It sounds as though what is happening is sharp practice, but nothing that will amount to more than the sister losing the job if it comes to light.

Thanks once again.

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x2boys · 11/12/2023 16:04

BerriesNutsConkers · 11/12/2023 14:12

Sounds like it's being paid for out of Direct Payments............usually a household member isn't able to be employed but it can happen in some circumstances.

I was thinking direct payments ?
The severely autistic child will.have been allocated some hours for a P/ A the mother can employ who she wants I know it can be a family member but I don't know how it works if they live at the same address ?

x2boys · 11/12/2023 16:08

hairbearbunches · 11/12/2023 15:13

Thanks for that info. As far as I know, the sister can't live at the same address in order for her to have the job. She is living there half the week and using the Grandmother's address for the purposes of having an alternative place to live. She isn't really doing any caring. She's supposed to be covering night shift and staying up while the rest of the house is asleep, but this is definitely not happening.

I don't have any feelings on how the family are choosing to play this, my main concern is for the elderly person whose address they are using in case there is any fallout for her. It sounds as though what is happening is sharp practice, but nothing that will amount to more than the sister losing the job if it comes to light.

Thanks once again.

Sometimes P/ A are just employed to take the disabled child out for a couple of hours
It's not usually a lot of hours either ,it will.depend how many hours have been allocated
Why does she need to stay up.?
My son is severely autistic we don't stay up.all night when he's asleep

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