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What words have changed common meaning?

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theelectricnorth · 08/12/2023 22:40

I am currently watching White Christmas, and it has got me thinking about words that have changed what people would first think of when they hear it, compared to what they would have thought 50+ years ago (or any time really).

For example, according to merriam-webster dictionary, 'gay' means:

  1. Of, relating to, or characterised by sexual or romantic attraction to people of one's same sex
  2. Happily excited

Now, most people I know, these days, will automatically relate 'gay' to definition number 1, however this wasn't the case x many years ago. So, I was wondering, what other words do you know that have changed 'main' definition over time?

(The part of the film that got my brain going in case anyone was wondering... Judy and Phil were talking about engagement:
Judy: Of course, it's got to be a man.
Phil: That's an absolute must.
Judy: No, no, no. I mean a mature man. You know, one with talent and experience. One that's witty, gay, charming, attractive.)

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ErrolTheDragon · 09/12/2023 21:02

I think 'making love' didn't mean having sex but meant telling someone you love them. Can't think of specific examples but I'm sure I've read it somewhere.

The classic example is Darcy in Pride and Prejudice - I can't remember the exact quote but it's something along the lines of him violently making love to her.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 09/12/2023 21:06

Vicious- in Jane Austen’s time it meant someone who indulged in vices, such as heavy drinking and gambling.

110APiccadilly · 09/12/2023 21:08

"let" used to mean hinder or stop.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 09/12/2023 21:09

ButterCupPie · 09/12/2023 10:24

I wish people wouldn't write 'judgy' or 'judgey' (mainly here) when they mean 'judgmental' and also 'snobby' (for 'snobbish') irritates me.

Me too!

viques · 09/12/2023 21:10

Kind , it used to mean being thoughtful and respectful about other peoples feelings. Now it is a command made by people with loud voices.

110APiccadilly · 09/12/2023 21:20

BlazingWorld · 09/12/2023 09:09

Made love to - in older books it just means courted
Pristine - we were told not to use this to mean “clean” at journalism school because it really means untouched, uncorrupted - so you could have a pristine meadow but not a pristine bedroom. But now both meanings are acceptable.
Awful - used to mean something that causes awe, like a mountain or the power of God
Ejaculated - I mean, it still does mean to blurt out, but you probably wouldn’t use it that way nowadays as Conan Doyle does “Good heavens, Holmes!” I ejaculated. (not an exact quote). Holmes also talks about Mrs Hudson being “knocked up” - someone knocked on her door to wake her up.

W. E. Johns (author of Biggles) was particularly fond of "ejaculated" iirc.

BreakfastAtMilliways · 09/12/2023 21:25

DH always chuckles at parts where Holmes or Watson ‘ejaculate into the conversation’. (DH’s paraphrase I suspect).

FatherJackHackettsUnderpantsHamper · 09/12/2023 21:28

BreakfastAtMilliways · 09/12/2023 21:25

DH always chuckles at parts where Holmes or Watson ‘ejaculate into the conversation’. (DH’s paraphrase I suspect).

That reminds me of the Fast Show character who would be in the middle of something very mundane with another person/people - and would then just pause for a moment, have a slightly pained look on his face and say "Oh, excuse me, I've just come!" Grin

FatherJackHackettsUnderpantsHamper · 09/12/2023 21:30

Handsome was once used to describe women, which you don't hear now at all. However, you do occasionally hear people nowadays describe a man as pretty.

ButterCupPie · 09/12/2023 21:33

Alalalalalongalalalalalonglonglilong · 09/12/2023 19:49

Enid Blyton was a big fan of 'queer' with its original meaning.

I think 'making love' didn't mean having sex but meant telling someone you love them. Can't think of specific examples but I'm sure I've read it somewhere.

Maria Montessori in her original books talks of working with retards. Yes the meaning is the same but the use is different..it's a word I find particularly offensive in any circumstances today.

I am fairly sure that 'making love' to someone used to mean roughly what we mean now by 'making up' to someone - to be attentive and flattering, as per Oxford Dictionaries:

DATED
pay amorous attention to (someone).

ButterCupPie · 09/12/2023 21:35

@BreakfastAtMilliways

parts where Holmes or Watson ‘ejaculate into the conversation’.

Biggles and his associates used to do that too.

AQuantityOfNaughtyCats · 09/12/2023 21:35

Spastic- still a medical term for muscle spasms and was used when referring to people with those medical issues. Now offensive.

Mongol- used to mean people from Mongolia, got confused as some people thought those with Down’s syndrome looked like people from that region and also now seen as offensive.

The N word which I won’t use. Was used as a colour descriptor, now clearly offensive to most people, still used by some to describe themselves.

NB not using any of these to be antagonistic- just as examples of words that used to be used descriptively without judgement attached and have become words that are seen as horribly offensive.

ErrolTheDragon · 09/12/2023 21:37

110APiccadilly · 09/12/2023 21:08

"let" used to mean hinder or stop.

As in 'without let or hinderance', which is about the only time that old usage crops up. But 'let' with its common meaning of 'allow' is also old.

Gwenhwyfar · 09/12/2023 21:54

"Maria Montessori in her original books talks of working with retards. Yes the meaning is the same but the use is different..it's a word I find particularly offensive in any circumstances today."

A lot of the 'insult' words we're not allowed to use today were once official words for mentally handicapped people eg idiot and cretin.

Gwenhwyfar · 09/12/2023 21:56

"Spastic- still a medical term for muscle spasms and was used when referring to people with those medical issues. Now offensive."

Spasticity still used by some doctors apparently. I was told this less than 5 years ago by a mother of a child with cerebral palsy.

Catsmere · 09/12/2023 22:29

I don't know if it's so much changed common meaning as people misusing it, but seeing reticent used as a synonym for reluctant always irritates me. It means uncommunicative, not readily revealing one's thoughts.

Restrelief · 09/12/2023 23:31

Gwenhwyfar · 09/12/2023 21:56

"Spastic- still a medical term for muscle spasms and was used when referring to people with those medical issues. Now offensive."

Spasticity still used by some doctors apparently. I was told this less than 5 years ago by a mother of a child with cerebral palsy.

As Gwenhwyfar said it is a medical term. There are different types of cerebral palsy so it distinguishes it from ataxic or dyskinetic or mixed cerebral palsy. I have spastic cerebral palsy.

It was a shame that spastic or spaz or spakker become insulting. The Spastic Society changed its name to Scope and it was for good reason but I feel it lost some of the special focus on information and campaigning for support for people who have cerebral palsy and now supports a range of disability.

Restrelief · 09/12/2023 23:47

Just re-phrase to say that a doctor would use spastic to distinguish from other types of cerebral palsy such as ataxic. I have spastic cerebral palsy and was sad that due to the abuse the Spastic Society needed to change its name to Scope. It felt like an important resource and campaigning organisation widened focus and covers a range of BBC disability, whereas other disability or illness or ND have specific things such as diabetes uk or National Autistic Society.

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 09/12/2023 23:58

'Bimbo' originally meant a vain man.

ANightingale · 09/12/2023 23:58

ButterCupPie · 09/12/2023 21:33

I am fairly sure that 'making love' to someone used to mean roughly what we mean now by 'making up' to someone - to be attentive and flattering, as per Oxford Dictionaries:

DATED
pay amorous attention to (someone).

Edited

It did. I have a 1920s school story in which a girl is praised for her ability to 'make love to the cook' - meaning that she could flatter the cook into giving them illicit jugs of hot lemonade.

sashh · 10/12/2023 05:22

FatherJackHackettsUnderpantsHamper · 09/12/2023 18:55

Bastard is another one. It used to have a very specific meaning - not something that is nice/necessary to remark on or distinguish - but it was a statement of fact.

Crucially, any imputed shame in being one would have automatically been assigned to the person's parents, rather than in the modern usage, where calling somebody a bastard means that they are somehow believed to be a bad person.

Years ago walking around looking at the Bayeux tapestry with an English audio thingy held to my ear I remember the expression of a couple of children when they said the new king of England was, "William the Bastard".

There are regional uses of words too, 'while' can mean 'until' in some places.

Gay is interesting, it was used with its original meaning but also as slur, the gay community introduced the acronym (actually it should be a backronym), "good as you" in order to reclaim it and they have been so successful it is now the main meaning.

Lovethatforyouhun · 10/12/2023 07:08

Woke

…used to mean a person who had awoken to the deep ingrained structural discrimination in America.

Now means a doofus who follows any cause they see on TikTok. Campaigning for men to be allowed in women’s areas, banning Christmas, making obesity compulsory, hating hetros or whatever it is this week.
Or as a right wing way to put down anyone slightly left leaning.

SqueakingSnapfish · 10/12/2023 08:56

FatherJackHackettsUnderpantsHamper · 09/12/2023 13:28

Maybe he refers to it as the tea-towel holder every time it's walking away from him Grin

I wonder when the balance for that one tipped? Are You Being Served frequently used the innuendo, when it might still have gone either way, but was more inclined towards the rude understanding; but nowadays, only the least worldly person would ever refer to a cat as a pussy with a straight face and innocent intentions.

I call puss puss puss when I am calling the cat. I call her a pussy cat.
I don't refer to my genitals in anyone else's gentials in conversation unless to a doctor so would not need to use slang.
I take it quite personally that you feel I don't have innocent intentions and actually a reflection on you that you feel a completely normal way of addressing a pet is not appropriate.

Catsmere · 10/12/2023 09:07

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 09/12/2023 23:58

'Bimbo' originally meant a vain man.

Which makes the later creation "himbo" all the sillier!

FaintlyMacabre · 10/12/2023 09:17

Ignorant often seems to be used to describe someone who is ignoring someone/something, rather than someone with a lack of knowledge.