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In trouble, what do I do?

220 replies

Hammondhugh · 28/11/2023 22:08

I, after my family member fell really ill sped to the hospital. I did 30 mph over the limit so 80 in a 50. I could’ve taken the points and called it or taken a ban. I’m asking for a reduced ban in court.
I now need to explain this to my employer and I work in education. I really really don’t want to have to explain this. I’m so embarrassed. What do I do? It’s actually very embarrassing to explain and I work with very intimidating management

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UnbreakMyFart · 29/11/2023 08:39

At the risk of sounding all ‘cancel the cheque’…
WHY DIDN’T YOU TAKE THE POINTS?

Calliopespa · 29/11/2023 08:46

Malbecfan · 29/11/2023 08:02

Only read OP's posts but I'm a teacher so this is what I would do.

Make an appointment to see the Head, ideally today. Tell them everything. In my opinion, following an ambulance is an important mitigation in the eyes of normal people; whether that applies to the law, I have no idea. Tell the Head how sorry you are. They can't discipline you for it as it has nothing to do with school and won't affect your DBS status. My current Head would probably roll his eyes at me, but I know would be sympathetic and allow me time off to attend court. Offer to take it unpaid - that way they can't accuse you of being a piss-taker. It was a mistake, made at a time of high stress and emotion, and you are remorseful. I hope the relative is ok now.

Completely agree. You’ve made the mistake in a time of stress; switch back to your normal good judgement from here on.

GiveOverRover · 29/11/2023 08:57

Tell the truth to your employer that you need to be in court xx date for a driving offence and will need a day of leave. I don't see what the conundrum is?

You seem quite confused for someone who has hired a solicitor, I'd maybe find another one, and get your head around the process that you need to navigate sooner rather than later.

Not to split hairs, but you weren't "following an ambulance" which would infer that you were driving directly behind it, (if ambulances even did 80 in a 50), you were driving to hospital to see a relative.

Don't stick your head in the sand, if you're adult enough to be behind the wheel doing ridiculous speeds, you're adult enough to deal with the consequences.

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rainbowstardrops · 29/11/2023 09:08

You were doing 80mph in a 50mph zone?
You're lucky you're not going to court for death by dangerous driving!
Idiot.

TitInATrance · 29/11/2023 09:36

It certainly is my local rag (part of a national chain/Mirror) they have a court reporter and publish a list of traffic, drug and other convictions weekly.

(Edited - reply to the reply my previous post about the local paper, I was expecting this to show as a reply too!)

ItAintGonnaGoDownEasyIfItAintCheezy · 29/11/2023 09:46

TitInATrance · 29/11/2023 09:36

It certainly is my local rag (part of a national chain/Mirror) they have a court reporter and publish a list of traffic, drug and other convictions weekly.

(Edited - reply to the reply my previous post about the local paper, I was expecting this to show as a reply too!)

Edited

Maybe it depends where you live but where I'm from, they couldn't possibly list every court appearance or conviction. There'd be nothing else in the paper. Only things of note are reported now. Even stabbings and shootings don't always make the cut if there's nothing exceptional about them. I see loads of stabbings/incidents on facebook etc that isn't reported in the papers.

PortalooSunset · 29/11/2023 10:45

Hammondhugh · 28/11/2023 22:40

Basically, I’m saying. I don’t feel comfortable telling my employer. I just don’t want to explain it. So im wondering if I should be honest or just give another reason.

Colleague of mine was found out when his name appeared in the local rag court round up. If you're not honest with them and you're found out later surely they'll judge you more?

oakleaffy · 29/11/2023 11:25

rainbowstardrops · 29/11/2023 09:08

You were doing 80mph in a 50mph zone?
You're lucky you're not going to court for death by dangerous driving!
Idiot.

This is very true.
That is a hell of a speed on a 50 zone.
The relative was in an ambulance. There would be nothing the OP could do to assist, so wouldn't matter if they turned up half an hour later.
There was no need to recklessly drive following it-no ambulance would be doing 80mph.

As for not admitting to bosses or being upfront- that is also a bad move.
Honesty is the best policy here.

Enhanced DBS will definitely bring up driving offences/caution.

VanGoghsDog · 29/11/2023 15:58

UnbreakMyFart · 29/11/2023 08:39

At the risk of sounding all ‘cancel the cheque’…
WHY DIDN’T YOU TAKE THE POINTS?

There's no option to "take points" at thirty over the limit. It's an automatic ban. If you go to court you have some small chance of persuading them to only fine you, or to give a shorter ban etc.

In this offence there is no simple points option open to the OP.

ThickSkinnedSoWhat · 29/11/2023 17:24

LadyLolaRuben · 29/11/2023 00:32

You really have no idea what it's like to have someone you love dying in an ambulance as you follow behind. You hope you see them alive in Resus to tell them all the things in life you wish you had said to them years ago

As it happens actually, I absolutely fucking do know what it is like, so I don't know why you assume I don't. It doesn't mean I can just kill other people on the road on the way there! But thanks for the assumption.

Hammondhugh · 29/11/2023 20:32

junebirthdaygirl · 29/11/2023 05:59

People who work in other jobs just do not understand how difficult it is to get a days leave as a teacher especially if you have an awkward principal. You have my sympathy for that as l have had that situation being interrogated when l badly needed a day . Its humiliating.
Just say you have to attend court due to a traffic offence. They cannot refuse when it's court and as far as l know the details are none of their business as it doesn't affect your work. If you are banned just use a taxi and get out early if don't want to arrive to school in one every day.
We all make mistakes and it was due to your absolute distress at a relatives illness and not due to rushing to a fancy event or something. Only give your principal as little details as you possibly can without lying.
And to e honest ..if you are that uncomfortable with your management look at moving as all principals are not the same and life is too short to be dealing with horrible, controlling bosses.

I just feel embarrassed explaining myself:(

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Hammondhugh · 29/11/2023 20:35

Theyvegotatrex · 29/11/2023 06:26

Op, have you checked your contract re: misconduct? Or speak to union rep first.

As manager, my concern would be your ability to get to work following the ban. I think honesty is always the best policy with these things but you need to think from their perspective, would they have to treat a drink driver who lost their license the same way.

For what it’s worth, many years ago I lost my license for the same thing. I had points already and then had more when I was caught driving 80 in a 50. Mine was on the motorway and I hadn’t realised the speed had changed - it was early and not much traffic on the road. I didn’t have to make a court appearance - do you actually need to be there? I was given a 14 day ban. My license is now clean and now I’m a completely different driver.

I’ve been honest with my employer. Are you saying it’s misconduct for being honest?

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Blipeuy · 29/11/2023 20:35

You should be. But equally take the plaster route. Rip it off quickly, get it over with, move on.

Hammondhugh · 29/11/2023 20:36

McSteamyorMcdreamy · 29/11/2023 07:00

80 in a 30?! Sheesh!

Straight to court in my county and you most certainly wouldn't have been offered points! You must have an extremely lenient bench!

You can plead exceptional hardship, buy you WILL have to tell your employer due to vetting rules as no matter what it is a conviction.

In a 50. Not in a 30

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MrsHamlet · 29/11/2023 20:40

Hammondhugh · 28/11/2023 22:40

Basically, I’m saying. I don’t feel comfortable telling my employer. I just don’t want to explain it. So im wondering if I should be honest or just give another reason.

If you lie to your employer, given that this would likely appear on a DBS, you could be dismissed.

GiveOverRover · 29/11/2023 21:26

Hammondhugh · 29/11/2023 20:35

I’ve been honest with my employer. Are you saying it’s misconduct for being honest?

I don't think it's being suggested that being honest with your employer would be deemed misconduct, how could that be the case?

Check your contract for what constitutes misconduct. You really just need to inform yourself and get clearer on what your position is, both legally, and with regard to your employment, and you won't find that on Mumsnet. Go digging.

Blipeuy · 29/11/2023 21:30

GiveOverRover · 29/11/2023 21:26

I don't think it's being suggested that being honest with your employer would be deemed misconduct, how could that be the case?

Check your contract for what constitutes misconduct. You really just need to inform yourself and get clearer on what your position is, both legally, and with regard to your employment, and you won't find that on Mumsnet. Go digging.

Being honest will lead to one of a number of outcomes depending on company policy.

1 - a wrap on the knuckles and a formal warning of some description
2 - a "thanks for telling us" and a check it won't affect your work
3 - a "thanks for telling us" and an "are you ok?"

Lying would probably lead to formal disciplinary processes because it WILL show up on your next DBS

Pipsquiggle · 29/11/2023 22:13

@Hammondhugh
You should feel shame and embarrassed, you broke the law, however, you can now choose how you 'own' this.
IMO taking this on the chin, admitting guilt, showing remorse and driving sensibly from now on is how you move on. Telling your employer is part of this process

MuckyPlucky · 01/12/2023 09:23

OP you seem perpetually befuddled, bemused, and like a passive player in this.

You’ve been dithering about for days, asking MN questions we can’t know the answer to (too many variables we’re not party to or aren’t qualified to answer).

Just pick up the phone & ask the solicitor you’re apparently paying for this sort of stuff. Then stop all this needless speculating about your employer & read your contract of employment - then you’ll know! It’s really not rocket science 🙄

I suspect what you’re really seeking on here is absolution of your guilty conscience - sympathy & reassurance. You’ll not get much of it here as a) you endangered people’s lives, and b) you’re doing zilch to help yourself other than asking the wrong people.

VanGoghsDog · 01/12/2023 09:43

I don't think a solicitor taken on to deal with a road traffic offence will know anything about how that might impact the OPs employment or her DBS check, it's not their area. I'm surprised the solicitor gave an (incorrect) opinion on that to be honest.

The best people to ask are her employers, second to that - an employment lawyer.

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