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Will I automatically be denied for a license

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Changednayme · 14/11/2023 13:41

I am about to apply for a provisional license. I get blackouts, have mental health issues and wear glasses. I can feel the blackouts coming on days/hours before they do. I have executive dysfunction when tired or stressed but my functioning levels vary massively. I can function very well some days, even excellently. If I was effected on a particular day I wouldn’t drive. I have declared it, but would I automatically be disqualified? Or do I not need to declare it because I wouldn’t drive whilst effected?

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GettingColdFeet · 15/11/2023 00:04

If in doubt, declare and let the DVLA decide. If you're fit to drive, then you're fit to drive and if you're not, you're not. Ultimately it's up to the DVLA and the only way to know is to declare.

My husband is currently unable to drive (licence revoked by the DVLA) for medical reasons. He does feel the loss of independence but he would never want to put others at risk. In the most selfish way, we also wouldn't want to lose everything being sued because our insurance isn't valid.

uncomfortablydumb53 · 15/11/2023 00:06

Not fainting but my ex had a condition which meant he was safe to drive until his symptoms happened( heart related)
Obviously no one could predict when or if his symptoms might occur DVLA revoked his licence and I suspect yours may not be granted even if you say you only faint while distressed DVLA will see it as a risk( as they should imo)

whatausername · 15/11/2023 02:22

Changednayme · 14/11/2023 23:55

I did declare it actually. I know that I’m not always effected. I just wanted to know if these conditions would mean I am automatically denied or if they would take it into consideration that I’m not always effected

If you have indeed declared it then what are you wanting from us here? It's already done. You have to sit back and wait for the licensing authority to decide.

Nobody can provide you reassurance or a guarantee. You need to wait. The anxiety will peak and then dissipate gradually. Nothing we can say will remove your anxiety.

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lunar1 · 15/11/2023 03:32

Given that you don't have a medical diagnosis it's highly unlikely you will be given a provisional license. I also think you are underestimating how stressful driving can be.

WandaWonder · 15/11/2023 03:55

You can't drive you could kill someone

HoppingPavlova · 15/11/2023 06:23

Have episodic tiredness, loss of concentration, fainting without a known medical cause so no preventative program.

And you are wondering if it’s okay to drive? Add questionable judgement to the list above.

sparklefresh · 15/11/2023 06:58

Honestly I hope they don't let you drive. Driving can be hot and stressful (way more stressful than having an injection, which you describe as a trigger upthread). It sounds way too risky to let you in the road I'm afraid.

villamariavintrapp · 15/11/2023 07:28

You might find that your insurance costs would make it difficult to drive even if you technically have a licence?

JennieTheZebra · 15/11/2023 07:44

@Changednayme You haven’t answered. Are you under cardiology? Have you had any medical investigations like a tilt table or exercise stress test? Is your ECG normal? All these things will make a difference to what the DVLA thinks. I answered earlier thinking it was just straightforward “fainting” but this sounds much more complicated tbh.

HamsterBanana · 15/11/2023 07:57

You'll kill someone on the road, don't put other peoples life's at risk.

Terracotta77 · 15/11/2023 08:34

Changednayme · 14/11/2023 23:55

I did declare it actually. I know that I’m not always effected. I just wanted to know if these conditions would mean I am automatically denied or if they would take it into consideration that I’m not always effected

I am about to apply for a provisional license.

Or do I not need to declare it because I wouldn’t drive whilst effected?

Sure you have.

noisyfrodge · 15/11/2023 08:42

OP you are housebound from anxiety, how do you think your anxiety will affect you walking out of the door into the car of a complete stranger to your first driving lesson? Particularly given how this is a trigger for your episodes?

HamsterBanana · 15/11/2023 09:38

Also if you don't declare it and it does happen and you kill someone, you'll be done for manslaughter or even murder as it's dangerous driving.

Changednayme · 15/11/2023 12:07

noisyfrodge · 15/11/2023 08:42

OP you are housebound from anxiety, how do you think your anxiety will affect you walking out of the door into the car of a complete stranger to your first driving lesson? Particularly given how this is a trigger for your episodes?

Do you work for the DWP in trying to catch people out?
Anyway. It was advised to me by a counsellor that taking it easy and gradually exposing myself to these situations over a period of time should lessen my anxiety. Any driving lessons I could have outside of my house, and I feel driving would give me more freedom to get to and from places that give me anxiety quickly

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noisyfrodge · 15/11/2023 12:38

Do you work for the DWP in trying to catch people out?

It was a genuine question. I'm not quite understanding the relevance of the DWP here though. I asked how you will go from housebound with anxiety to a driving lesson to being able to drive safely, given anxiety is a trigger for all of your other ailments. I don't care if you claim benefits but I do care if sometime who is medically unfit is driving.

Your counsellor sounds like a bloody idiot to suggest a massive step to driving lessons rather than small outings. It this a random online person you speak to? If so I would just be checking their credentials now.

noisyfrodge · 15/11/2023 12:40

Also it's interesting how you immediately jumped to think I was trying to catch you out.

Experience tells me the only people who think they are trying to be caught out are those doing something wrong or not being honest.

You have contradicted yourself, omitted details and lied about whether you have done an application or not, so if the cap fits...

gamerchick · 15/11/2023 12:50

The DVLA won't give a toss if these things happen now and then, under certain circumstances or any other reason. Fact is, driving can be stressful, under unfortunate circumstances they can be distressing. I got the fright of my life earlier caused by someone I'm not sure has had any formal lessons the way they were driving. You have to keep your wits about you at all times.

Just because you know when they come on, you don't know that won't change at some point and take you by surprise.

I kind of hope, because it doesnt look like you can be honest with yourself that you don't get to be a driver. Passing out at the wheel can kill and not just yourself. You shouldn't want to do it.

titchy · 15/11/2023 12:53

I feel driving would give me more freedom to get to and from places that give me anxiety quickly

As would an Uber which wouldn't put the public at risk.

JenniferJupiterVenusandMars · 15/11/2023 12:57

Changednayme · 14/11/2023 15:51

I really just want to have a yes or no answer

No.
I sincerely hope you haven’t lied on an application 😵‍💫

romdowa · 15/11/2023 12:59

I had a history of fainting , I wasn't allowed to drive when I was fainting . So from my experience the answer is no until you are free from fainting

Elsiebear90 · 15/11/2023 13:05

Unexplained syncope means you can’t drive, needs to be investigated and depending on what’s causing it and if it can be treated you may be able to drive, but you have to declare it.

PabloandGustheGreySquirrels · 15/11/2023 14:55

titchy · 15/11/2023 12:53

I feel driving would give me more freedom to get to and from places that give me anxiety quickly

As would an Uber which wouldn't put the public at risk.

This. The OP's suggestion of driving in her condition, as a driver myself, is truly chilling.

Don't you fucking dare put me and my child at risk OP, or anyone else

SarahShorty · 15/11/2023 15:00

As far as I know, failure to declare this is a criminal offence. So, I would declare it and if your licence is denied, then that's that.

alloalloallo · 15/11/2023 15:02

My daughter has dissociative/absence seizures (diagnosed with functional neurological disorder) and is not allowed to drive.

I think someone has already linked the DVLA page, but I’ve attached a screenshot of the relevant bit.

DD feels them coming too, but it’s not enough to obtain a licence. She has to be seizure free for 3 months before she can apply.

She has never applied, she has no intention of driving as she would never want to put anyone at risk.

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