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I need to report this to school don't I?

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Cinnamonlozenges · 09/11/2023 23:57

One of DS's teachers has talked to the class about her mental health. She had told them she was struggling a bit, then in one lesson they were left to read (own books, not the subject) and told not to tell other teachers.

Sounds like a young teacher over sharing and needing some help.

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Lamelie · 09/11/2023 23:58

How old is the class?

WinterWaffle · 10/11/2023 00:00

Yes I would, she obviously needs help.

Cinnamonlozenges · 10/11/2023 00:00

Year 9

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shieldmaiden7 · 10/11/2023 00:01

I guess I depends how old DC are. It's good to openly talk about mental health and to hear it from another adult than their parents may teach them it's good and ok to share.

But like I said depends how old they are and how much she did share.

thecatinthetwat · 10/11/2023 00:02

I’d be tempted to take a wait and watch approach.

I don’t think it’s a bad thing for a teacher to be honest about these things and if missing the lesson was a one-off then I think that’s ok.

shieldmaiden7 · 10/11/2023 00:03

Cinnamonlozenges · 10/11/2023 00:00

Year 9

Just seen your update.

I have children in year 10 and 8 and wouldn't be upset if they said the teacher spoke of their mental health. It's good to hear others talk of it.
I would be concerned she hasn't reached out to the school though and would report it as a checking in to see if she's ok type of thing.

determinedtomakethiswork · 10/11/2023 00:05

Is she new to teaching?

Screamingabdabz · 10/11/2023 00:06

shieldmaiden7 · 10/11/2023 00:01

I guess I depends how old DC are. It's good to openly talk about mental health and to hear it from another adult than their parents may teach them it's good and ok to share.

But like I said depends how old they are and how much she did share.

Wrong. It’s not at all professional or ethical to tell pupils that. Mental health should be an integral part of education but the classroom is not a place for the responsible ‘in-loco’ adult to share their own personal ill-health.

Yes op. You report it.

Cinnamonlozenges · 10/11/2023 00:07

This is across three lessons so I was initially thinking maybe she thinks it's positive to talk openly (although should be done very mindfully in young people's best interest). I wasn't concerned about the missed lesson in itself (although DS was unimpressed as subject he likes). I was unhappy at the suggestion of keeping it secret.

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EasterIssland · 10/11/2023 00:08

Screamingabdabz · 10/11/2023 00:06

Wrong. It’s not at all professional or ethical to tell pupils that. Mental health should be an integral part of education but the classroom is not a place for the responsible ‘in-loco’ adult to share their own personal ill-health.

Yes op. You report it.

So we should teach the kids that they shouldn’t talk about mental health unless it is in the agenda for the day because it’s not ethical ? I think showing to the kids that if you need help or having a bad day it’s ok to speak up and don’t keep it to yourself

Cinnamonlozenges · 10/11/2023 00:09

determinedtomakethiswork · 10/11/2023 00:05

Is she new to teaching?

DS described her as a young adult.

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Sugarfree23 · 10/11/2023 00:20

EasterIssland · 10/11/2023 00:08

So we should teach the kids that they shouldn’t talk about mental health unless it is in the agenda for the day because it’s not ethical ? I think showing to the kids that if you need help or having a bad day it’s ok to speak up and don’t keep it to yourself

It's OK to speak up but she's a teacher the kids should not be her support network.

She does not know what else those kids are dealing with. Some maybe dealing with abuse, parents separating or bereavement. She can't just dump her worries on to them.

Sugarfree23 · 10/11/2023 00:21

@Cinnamonlozenges yes report it. Not to get her into trouble more to get her proper support

EasterIssland · 10/11/2023 00:29

Sugarfree23 · 10/11/2023 00:20

It's OK to speak up but she's a teacher the kids should not be her support network.

She does not know what else those kids are dealing with. Some maybe dealing with abuse, parents separating or bereavement. She can't just dump her worries on to them.

Op do you exactly know what she’s said ? Only asking as she might have said sorry I’m not having a good day or something like that which is fine to say to kids , I think you don’t have to say much to kids , just a bit just to let them know that you’re having mh problems on the day is ok and doesn’t mean you’re dumping your worries on them.

ps I agree not good about not saying anything to others tho she might have been worried about not getting into trouble

Aturtleatemysandwich · 10/11/2023 00:31

No teacher should be sharing anything with a class full of young people that they expect them to keep secret or would be unhappy for their colleagues to know about. I find any adult asking children to keep secrets a red flag so yes I’d report that to the school.

hoobanoobie · 10/11/2023 00:50

My favourite teacher in primary school ( had her first in year 3 and then again in year 5) told our class that she had lost her daughter to leukaemia. She would cancel lessons often so we could do whatever we wanted. In year 5 she would tell us stories sat in a chair, we sat on the carpet, while a few chosen children tickled her (as in soft stroking of her arms and legs with fingers) or played with her hair.
I see the huge red flag there now.
It wasn’t gross in any way, I just think she was lonely and desperate for some kind of comfort. Not that it's okay to take that into work at a primary school.

cabbageking · 10/11/2023 00:54

I think it is reasonable to ask for someone to clarify if she needs help.

saraclara · 10/11/2023 01:02

EasterIssland · 10/11/2023 00:08

So we should teach the kids that they shouldn’t talk about mental health unless it is in the agenda for the day because it’s not ethical ? I think showing to the kids that if you need help or having a bad day it’s ok to speak up and don’t keep it to yourself

She told them to keep a secret (that she hadn't taught the lesson, just let the class read their own books) from other teachers.

That is SO wrong that I can't believe that I'm having to point that out to you.

LuluBlakey1 · 10/11/2023 01:10

You must report this. Teachers should not, ever, ask students to keep secrets. She shouldn't be not teaching them- if she is not well enough to teach that is a concern. She may need help. Safeguarding applies to staff as well as students and the school has a duty of care towards her, and she has her boundaries with the class in the wrong place and needs some support with how much of herself she shares.

Midsummernightsdreaming · 10/11/2023 01:20

You do absolutely need to let school know, so that they can support her through this. On a separate note, as a Headteacher, I'm currently advertising for teaching assistants. Nearly all of the applicants so far are from fully qualified teachers who have left the profession or are stepping away from it. Something's going on with the teaching profession right now that means that teachers are leaving in droves. That needs addressing. All of that time, training and financial cost going to waste and fully qualified teachers wanting to work as TAs, as the job of a teacher is no longer sustainable? This is what the DfE should be looking into as a matter of urgency. I suspect a lot of it is due to the current impact on Mental Health.

SammyScrounge · 10/11/2023 01:35

EasterIssland · 10/11/2023 00:08

So we should teach the kids that they shouldn’t talk about mental health unless it is in the agenda for the day because it’s not ethical ? I think showing to the kids that if you need help or having a bad day it’s ok to speak up and don’t keep it to yourself

It's not OK for the teacher to take the class's time for her mental health problems. Children have things to learn and this teacher is being selfish and immature in.unloading her problems on young people's shoulders. Classrooms are not therapy rooms nor children psychiatrists.

Disorganisedmess2023 · 10/11/2023 01:45

I'd say it's a red flag about the school that she fears reprisal if struggling. It's wrong that she's asking children not to say anything but this sounds like it's because the school wouldn't be supportive. So many schools make teachers lives hell if they show even an ounce of being human. This is why so many teachers leave in droves. I've seen it so many times.

Autiebibliophile · 10/11/2023 03:14

Yes you need to report it. It's not appropriate and suggests she needs help/support from her slt.

saraclara · 10/11/2023 06:38

Disorganisedmess2023 · 10/11/2023 01:45

I'd say it's a red flag about the school that she fears reprisal if struggling. It's wrong that she's asking children not to say anything but this sounds like it's because the school wouldn't be supportive. So many schools make teachers lives hell if they show even an ounce of being human. This is why so many teachers leave in droves. I've seen it so many times.

It doesn't necessarily reflect on the school or management. No school is going to be happy about a class of pupils not being taught for a whole lesson. Nor is any parent..this is three lessons now that have been affected. And however sympathetic one might be to mental health issues, she cannot tell children to keep secrets like this.

Disorganisedmess2023 · 10/11/2023 06:45

saraclara · 10/11/2023 06:38

It doesn't necessarily reflect on the school or management. No school is going to be happy about a class of pupils not being taught for a whole lesson. Nor is any parent..this is three lessons now that have been affected. And however sympathetic one might be to mental health issues, she cannot tell children to keep secrets like this.

No she absolutely shouldn't have told the pupils to keep it secret. However I think totally does reflect on the school. If they were normally supportive I doubt the teacher would have felt so bad that this happened and I doubt they would have tried to keep it secret if they knew their SLT team would ordinarily be completely understanding.

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