Dual carriageway driving question

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Hello I'm fairly new to diving,
If you are turning right off a dual carriageway to a minor road and you are waiting in middle at a give way line but there is person on minor road on right wanting to cross your path and cross dual carriageway who has priority? (There is room in middle for both our cars) Who goes first ? Do I have priority because I am on the main road? Or do I give way to them because there is a give way line.

Just checking terms by Dual Carriageway we are talking about a road where there is a physical barrier between the "northbound" and "southbound" lanes.

For the person turning right through the gap in the barrier, the give way lines refer that you have to wait until there is no southbound traffic coming along the other way before you complete your right turn.

For the person wanting to use the same gap to turn onto the dual carriage way, if their path is only clear when there is no one waiting to turn off then they just have to wait, they have no priority.

If that doesn't make sense it might be easier with a diagram if you can sketch one?

We have some of these dual carriageway crossings near us, hate them as they’re really dangerous (numerous accidents but perhaps that’s just our area)

To your question, you have right of way as you are on the major road. They can’t proceed until you have moved as presumably there would be minimal space anyway.

The road marking may indicate that the minor road car has priority. It used to be the driver on the main road always had precedence.

Can you take a couple of Google Map screenshots of the junction so we can have a look at them?
One on default & one of terrain - you can sometimes see road markings on the terrain - and it's a fresh pair of eyes looking at them.

As a PP said, I would expect the major road to have priority over the minor road but at times, things aren't as obvious or even common sense.

This a pic sorry I could have just posted It on my post

Yes sure. The give way line in middle confused me.

If I've understood correctly, you're talking about the turns I've marked on here, where both cars have to give way at the dotted lines?

I thought priority was to people on the right, so the people entering the dual carriageway yield to traffic coming from the right (people already on the dual carriageway) and if you're on the dual carriageway in the waiting zone to turn right to exit, you yield to people on your right (people already making the manoeuvre to cross the central reservation).

So on the diagram PP put with the coloured arrows, green would wait for the right of them to be clear of oncoming traffic before making a move, and blue would wait for oncoming traffic and anyone making a move from the green arrow to clear as well?

Correct yes

Yes this is why I'm
A bit confused

I think, as a general rule, the car exiting a major road has priority over one joining it. It would make a difference if the other car had started their manoeuvre though,

In over 30 years of driving I've never come across this particular scenario though!

From my driving lessons a few years back you would do a near side pass. You both go and pass each other on the near side so like looping around each other if that makes sense?

It's been a loooog time since I read the Highway Code. But...

• I think the priority from the right which pp mentioned is for roundabouts
• in this case, imagine it wasn't a dual carriage way, and you were just turning right. The blue car would have priority
• I think the give way lines for the blue car are to make clear that the southbound traffic on the other carriageway has priority and you have to give way to them. I don't think it means give way to green cars

I think that this rule, which applies to the car on the minor road, is the applicable one. Whilst you also had a Give Way sign, you only had to give way to the cars on the main road, the other car had to give way to you and those on their side.

Rule 172

The approach to a junction may have a ‘Give Way’ sign or a triangle marked on the road. You MUST give way to traffic on the main road when emerging from a junction with broken white lines across the road.
Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD schedule 9 parts 7 and 8

The car turning off the main road has priority, but I have several of these junctions near me where drivers approach it as a free for all and cars frequently pull out from the side road first. It's very dangerous, multiple crashes on a 70mph section, and I hate those junctions. I wish the signage for the minor road was clearer.

From the position of the give way line for the blue car you only have to give way to the green car IF the green car is already moving.
You have priority over a stationary green car.

I think the blue arrow would have priority. The green would see the blue indicating and shouldn't go before the blue's manoeuvre

Makes sense. Well found.