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What was England like in late 1998/early 1999?

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breaksinthedayforyou · 07/11/2023 00:38

Interested to know.

I am a late 90s baby and can't believe that was now over 25 years ago Smile

One of my earliest memories is going into Woolworths in Poplar. I was in a buggy and remember feeling cold

It randomly occurred to me that 1998, my birth year, is going to sound ancient to my own grandchildren/great grandchildren. Much like my great grandmother shocking my mum years ago by being born 'in the 1800s' 😃

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verdantverdure · 10/11/2023 17:18

I loved it @Unexpectedlysinglemum Grin

Serena1977 · 10/11/2023 17:40

I graduated in 1999, last year to get grant, queued up in your council line, got the bus to the bank to bank the cheque.

Things felt safe - Northern Ireland in a peace process, the world was largely settled, west and east were getting on. Labour came to power. Everything seemed dynamic and fresh. Treatment of HIV/Aids was much more effective. Technology was developing at a speedy rate but we still lived a uncomplicated life of the 80s.

Music was fun and cheesy pop.

Everything seemed to work, getting a GP appointment, hospitals, unis, schools, catching a train.

The shift for me were marked by 3 events.

11/09/2001
07/07/2005
06/05/2010

Riverlee · 11/11/2023 21:06

If I recall correctly, I think you still had communal changing rooms in some shops at that time So you could be trying your clothes with a room full of women. Good if you wanted an opinion from someone (and you always made sure you had decent underwear on).

GonnaGetGoingReturns · 11/11/2023 21:41

Riverlee · 11/11/2023 21:06

If I recall correctly, I think you still had communal changing rooms in some shops at that time So you could be trying your clothes with a room full of women. Good if you wanted an opinion from someone (and you always made sure you had decent underwear on).

I think you’re right! At least I had more confidence then compared to when I was a teenager!

GonnaGetGoingReturns · 11/11/2023 21:48

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 10/11/2023 17:14

We all loved the spice girls who were in their hey day and were devastated Geri left!
There was massive pressure on girls to be thin and anorexia was around a lot
We dressed pretty much like gen z dresses now
There were no smart phones - if you were out with friends and agreed a time to be home by you had to use a pay phone to call parents to ask for permission to stay out longer
You had to use an a-z to navigate London as no google maps!

I’m not sure there was pressure to be thin? I can’t recall it anyway but I was naturally slim.

I did used to get slightly irritated with friends who had small boobs whereas I had larger ones, they’d use wonder bras or “chicken fillets”. One of them for Christmas gave me a strappy little sequinned top (which I looked ok in) but I had to wear strapless bras whereas they could go without if they really wanted to.

I had a travel sized A-Z and a flip top Nokia or something like that, wasn’t cheap!

@verdantverdure and @AproposofEverything you’re right it did feel like not the end of times… but I was fuelled by alcohol, drugs (!) being young and having fun.

TheThingIsYeah · 11/11/2023 21:54

@Serena1977 6th May 2010.

Is that the day the departing Labour chief secretary to the Treasury left the famous note for his coalition successor “Dear Chief Secretary, I'm afraid there is no money. Kind regards – and good luck!” ?

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 12/11/2023 09:40

@GonnaGetGoingReturns www.instagram.com/reel/CwiWAo-A442/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

www.instagram.com/p/Cv-PiO6qYPB/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

These links are what I was talking about- e.g. chris evans weighing Victoria Beckham to check she'd lost her baby weight on tv and saying 8 stone was acceptable?!?!

There was none of the mid /averaged sized women in adverts or magazines or influencers that we have today. Thin thin thin was the message!

madeinmanc · 12/11/2023 12:10

There absolutely was pressure to be skinny (not just slim). Size 12 was considered a bit large and of course a size 12 then is equivalent to a 10 now. Shapely bottoms and thighs were also disapproved of, whereas they're celebrated now.

GonnaGetGoingReturns · 12/11/2023 12:20

@Unexpectedlysinglemum and @madeinmanc i honestly can’t recall pressure then to be thin. Or even diet products.

I suppose the only comparison was my best friend and I used to do aqua aerobics and other gym classes. But we were both “slim”. My best friend’s boyfriend, his sister who socialised with used to be anorexic and to be honest hopefully she didn’t feel pressure generally.

CesareBorgia · 12/11/2023 12:32

GonnaGetGoingReturns · 12/11/2023 12:20

@Unexpectedlysinglemum and @madeinmanc i honestly can’t recall pressure then to be thin. Or even diet products.

I suppose the only comparison was my best friend and I used to do aqua aerobics and other gym classes. But we were both “slim”. My best friend’s boyfriend, his sister who socialised with used to be anorexic and to be honest hopefully she didn’t feel pressure generally.

Kate Moss and so-called heroin chic were at their peak in the 90s.

"Nothing tastes as good as skinny feels".

madeinmanc · 12/11/2023 12:34

hopefully she didn’t feel pressure generally

Ummm, I'm thinking the fact that she was anorexic is a bit of a clue that she did.

GonnaGetGoingReturns · 12/11/2023 12:59

madeinmanc · 12/11/2023 12:34

hopefully she didn’t feel pressure generally

Ummm, I'm thinking the fact that she was anorexic is a bit of a clue that she did.

Honestly, she seemed very body confident and confident in herself and if anorexia hadn’t be mentioned to me I’d never have guessed.

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 12/11/2023 13:10

Bridget Jones being 9 stone and portrayed as the fat girl that should be having cigarettes instead of dinner was also very 90s!!

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 12/11/2023 13:12

madeinmanc · 12/11/2023 12:10

There absolutely was pressure to be skinny (not just slim). Size 12 was considered a bit large and of course a size 12 then is equivalent to a 10 now. Shapely bottoms and thighs were also disapproved of, whereas they're celebrated now.

Yup love actually martine mccuchon's character everyone saying how chubby she is! And the fat shaming of the Portuguese waitresses' sister! (That's 2003 not late 90s but similar!)

CesareBorgia · 12/11/2023 13:13

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 12/11/2023 13:10

Bridget Jones being 9 stone and portrayed as the fat girl that should be having cigarettes instead of dinner was also very 90s!!

Yes, and when the film came out, loads of articles quoting Rene Zellweger saying she'd had to stuff herself with cream cakes to gain weight for the role 🙄

Honeychickpea · 12/11/2023 13:34

Highlyflavouredgravy · 09/11/2023 17:53

I got married in 97. It cost a lot more than two grand! I was living in a flat in South London with my dh. There was a drug dealer downstairs and goths in the next flat.

Goths! The horror! Did they drink your blood or just dress differently from you?

Highlyflavouredgravy · 12/11/2023 13:45

Honeychickpea · 12/11/2023 13:34

Goths! The horror! Did they drink your blood or just dress differently from you?

I literally cannot remember the last time I saw a full on goth.
It was a memory. I didn't think a snarky reply was necessary but knock yourself out.

Highlyflavouredgravy · 12/11/2023 13:47

CesareBorgia · 12/11/2023 13:13

Yes, and when the film came out, loads of articles quoting Rene Zellweger saying she'd had to stuff herself with cream cakes to gain weight for the role 🙄

And the irony was that in the book Bridget was absolutely not fat and just banged on about her weight all the time because of the social pressure to be thin.

GonnaGetGoingReturns · 12/11/2023 14:22

Highlyflavouredgravy · 12/11/2023 13:45

I literally cannot remember the last time I saw a full on goth.
It was a memory. I didn't think a snarky reply was necessary but knock yourself out.

In early 2000s I worked with a goth (not saying which industry as outing) but they were in a band and invited colleagues to a concert. It was great, at the Purple Turtle in Camden.

TooBusyTalking · 12/11/2023 20:46

I got married in 1998.

People didn’t have mobile phones.
I remember because we had a coach to transport people and when they threatened to cancel I couldn't contact any of our guests to tell them. It’s not like they couldn’t afford them either.

We couldn’t just….Google it….we used books
People read books made of paper…no kindles, etc

You could get early computer games like …. Mega city ie building your own city. It was limited and very basic though.

People went to shops to buy stuff and didn’t order loads online.
There weren’t many Starbucks etc around but prepacked sandwiches first hit the uk shelves at M&S in 1980..
A takeaway meant you picked it up yourself, it wasn’t delivered.
Being a vegetarian was crap…..but Linda McCartneys first veg sausage did come out in 1991.

Ormally · 16/11/2023 14:38

GonnaGetGoingReturns · 10/11/2023 14:09

Don’t forget Moscow Mule and Two Dogs which was the same as Hooch but not as nice!

Oh yes, I have friends - and their parents, 'x' years on - who will not be able to forget the Moscow Mule, ever, and possibly won't be able to drink another, ever!

GonnaGetGoingReturns · 16/11/2023 15:16

Ormally · 16/11/2023 14:38

Oh yes, I have friends - and their parents, 'x' years on - who will not be able to forget the Moscow Mule, ever, and possibly won't be able to drink another, ever!

@Ormally - I’m sure I got drunk and sick on Moscow Mules when I was younger, god knows what was in it!

teaandtoastwithmarmite · 17/11/2023 16:58

I was naturally thin then and got picked on at school for it. I was called 'Rex' due to my so called anorexia 🙄 (had sausage roll and chips every day for lunch)

Ohhelpicantthinkofaname · 17/11/2023 17:13

In 97/98. Was 13/14. I could get served in a couple of pubs, get into a couple of clubs and get served fags pretty much everywhere. I also did a lot of camping out and getting drunk in fields.

primark was rubbish, but Tammy girl was good. You could get a great bargain in Woolworths and still cheat the pick and mix scales in wilkinsons. I could get a bus to town return (12 miles) and a mcdonnalds for £5. Happy times.

BlueSummerBaby · 24/11/2023 19:43

NRFT sorry if I'm repeating things

Older women looked different too, they often had set hairdos ("set" means it was fixed by the hairdresser with a solution into tight curls that didn't move) that were all very similar and they wore similar clothes, I can't remember exactly but long skirts etc. This would have been the look for women that we would consider relatively young/not old these days! I don't know why that was the case

I asked an older person about this in recent years. The older people with the "shampoo and set" were the white-haired OAPs, in my town at least. I remember my Mum putting my Nan's hair in curlers each week when she visited. This was the only time my Nan washed her hair. Those who went to the hairdresser for the shampoo-and-set often also had the "blue rinse", basically some type of hairdye that gave them baby blue or lavender hair but it was sort of translucent not like the coloured hairdyes of today and they wore transparent plastic bonnets when it rained. Coloured hairdyes for young people weren't so easy to come by. You couldn't just get them in Boots. Maybe red but that was about it. I saw pics of punks in the 80's with coloured hair but didn't know anyone like that. If I wanted colourful hair I'd have had to go to a hairdresser and it would have cost a fortune.

The "older" people (40+) who dressed in long pleated skirts, day dresses, often topped with a beige anorak. Or smart chino trousers and shirt (full on suit for the OAP men, often finished incongruously with trainers for those who looked doddery). According to the person I asked recently it was because they dressed in the styles that were prevalent when they were young. Fashion was for the young and older people didn't really follow it back then, just stuck with what they knew, so they never looked upto date in the way young people might (they might have had their own version of age-appropriate fashion IDK). Even unfashionable or boringly clothed young people didn't dress like these 40+ people.

The internet was a weird one. I left school at 16 in 1995. I'd had one group session lasting half hour on a desktop PC, during which I didn't get to touch it. The program was Desktop Publishing, a screen where you could lay text out like a magazine article and add in pictures (generic ones that were already on the computer). The internet wasn't something I'd even heard of. I didn't use the internet in any of my basic office jobs, although some had computers with in-house systems, so didn't experience it until I moved in with a boyfriend who worked in technology in 2006 and who had a desktop PC.

In 1995 school work was hand written, research for projects was done in the library or by visiting places or writing to them requesting information. A few posh children had Word Processors which were a huge electronic typewriter and used in a similar way to a manual typewriter but with something that looked closer to a computer keyboard. I went to a State-run Grammar School in London and seemed like 75% of the pupils were middle class, so I don't suppose my school was particularly backwards. The computers for IT lessons were BBC Computers (nope, I've no idea either!) and they taught us to do things like write in coloured font and build a database then search it for information. I had younger siblings and so much had changed by 1998.

I bought my first mobile phone in 1998. A few of my friends had them. It was PAYG (I think they all were? Unless you had one through your job maybe, IDK). Calls were too expensive so we'd text, but not for no reason because that was expensive too and £10 didn't go far. Due to this you tried to keep costs down by only texting to arrange meet-ups or inform of unavoidable delays eg the boss making you work late, people didn't flake out for spurious reasons, if you had plans you kept them. And you'd try to fit everything you needed to say into one text... Mng evry1 wrt lyk dis 2 kp chrct ct dn n msg had 2b dcphed by frn at otr end 😂.

It wasn't hard because with no smartphones there was no predictive or auto text or keyboard, the phones had a keypad like what shows when you go to make a call but in physical buttons not a screen, each digit was also representing several letters and you pressed it repeatedly to get the letter you wanted. We got really fast at typing like it and good at deciphering each others incomprehensible looking texts.

In 1998 I was facing redundancy as my workplace closed my local branch. So I didn't buy the large studio-flat in a London borough in North West Kent for £45k, that I could have got a mortgage on with my £15k wages and £5k deposit. My friend did though and 2yrs later sold for £90k as property prices went crazy.

I remember the minimum wage coming in and my wages when it occurred rising from £4/hr to £4.50/hr as a result. My friend's sister worked in a factory taking labels off coat hangers and earned £2/hr. Poor people were poor and didn't live alone.

There was a feeling of hope around those years approaching the millennium. A few years later I stood with thousands of others watching the fireworks light up the number 2000 in the sky and it felt truly magical.

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