"Gotten"

[ArcticLingered]

I'm quite new to MN - and have picked up the default language / advice that's freely given to many issues - LTB, people are always "vile" or "entitled" etc. But one that baffles me is the use of "gotten" in place of "got".
Please excuse my ignorance - but I thought gotten had died out centuries ago, though it is still used in USA English.
But LOADS of posters on MN use it. Is it due to autocorrect / predicative text? Or do some parts of the UK still use it? Or is there one poster with loads of different account names who posts really prolifically?

It's quite common in relaxed, informal, conversational UK English, e.g. I've never gotten anything but weeds from my vegetable patch. It hasn't 'died out'.

It's location based I think. It may not be used much in your region but common in others.

yy, Manadou.

MN is a talk board not a Viva voce.

The word never stopped being using in many parts of the UK.

It's another Americanism that has worked its way into our language. Along with many others, like season instead of series and staffer for staff member. I hate it but I doubt it'll ever be stopped.

It's another Americanism that has worked its way into our language

Well that's just lies.

Scottish and American word . That's all.

Oh and a legal word apparently.

Why do you hate it? Is it just a reluctance to accept change (albeit the change is a shift back to a word that used to be commonly used in England, hence having been exported to the US)?

OP, you will also notice that MN has a nasty anti American vibe.

It's not an Americanism. Its use predates the colonisation of North America by centuries.

Yes all these nasty Americanism creeping in and taking over English traditions. Just wait for the Santa threads🎅

I now live in the US and can confirm that it’s still used here. I assume that it’s an old word that’s been retained over here, but its usage has died out in the UK. I never heard it growing up in England.

Just Googled and it does derive from the mid 14th century, also related to Norse.

It's not an Americanism. Its use predates the colonisation of North America by centuries.

Yes, absolutely.

It's used in the King James Bible - which was published in England over 160 years before the USA even existed.

Also, as PP have said, there are plenty of 'archaic' words that are actually still in common use in some areas. Go to Yorkshire and tell them that 'thee' is no longer used these days.

It’s the exact opposite, @MaidOfSteel, do a quick Google!

You could have Googled this before showing your ignorance. Embarrassing.

It's an old English word (definitely not an Americanism, in fact I think we probably exported it to them first) and is still in use. I don't tend to use it myself, but I don't object to it. Its meaning is perfectly clear.

It might be more in common usage in the USA, but it hasn't completely died out here in the UK either.

I can confirm that gotten is still used in Yorkshire-I hear it quite a lot

Bloody hell, you'd have thought America just sprang from the ground, spontaneously speaking English and whipping up events like Halloween, according to MN. 🤣

Also, while we are here, can I start a petition to get fall back? So much better than poncey autumn

Oh yes - because "Fall, season of mellow fruitfulness" works so well...

FFS!!

Please excuse my ignorance - but I thought gotten had died out centuries ago, though it is still used in USA English.

There may be areas where it's still used like Mom in west midlands - rather than Mum or mam in other parts of the UK but I hadn't heard any - then Ds and his friends started using it a lot - it jarred initially to my ears - they'd picked up from mainly UK YouTubers who'd started using it.

I'd assumed they'd just picked it up from USA colleagues/commentators - as hadn't heard it before in London/SE accents they all seem to have. UK clothes makes on-line often use american terms like basting for what I knew as tacking - I assumed as context making meaning clear and wider variable UK vocabulary meant fewer complaints from UK viewers.

Gotten does seem to be making a come back last few years as I do hear it more and more.

I'm not sure I use it except when using the phrase, Ill-gotten gains. I'm Welsh and my use of language is often arse backward.

🤣

In case anyone’s wondering, Google tells me that “autumn” has Latin/Old French origins, whereas “fall” has Germanic origins. Both were used in the UK at various times.

Ye irritating Americans didn’t invent either! 🤣

Ill-gotten gains - in forgotten - it was lurking around I just wasn't hearing in place of got in areas of UK I lived and worked in - now I am.