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North East thread 7: the bus chat continues...

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Someaddedsugar · 27/10/2023 21:48

Just setting this up so it's here Smile

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PacificCoastHighway · 20/11/2023 21:29

PickAChew · 20/11/2023 18:36

The children's pictures or whatever they were on the castle looked cute.

Of course, Ds1 took as many photos of the park and ride buses as of the lights.

That's so funny! Our kids loved the P&R buses as well with their disco lights and dance music. They were quite annoyed we didn't need to take the bus to get to Lumiere.

Someaddedsugar · 20/11/2023 21:37

That's lovely that your DS enjoyed it @PickAChew! Pleased others did too!

Completely understandable @AlviarinAesSedai - I imagine it makes it difficult for parents with young children too who might need to use the toilets.

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SequentialAnalyst · 20/11/2023 22:32

Are they travelling folk? There used to be designated places for people who lived on the move.

Winwit · 20/11/2023 22:44

I remember back in the 80s when the American air traffic controllers went on strike for more money. President Nixon ordered them back to work and if they refused they got sacked, plus a lifetime ban on anyone rehiring them in that role. I don’t see why the government can’t step in and do that with the north east buses because the situation is ridiculous.

AlviarinAesSedai · 20/11/2023 22:52

If they sack all the bus drivers (don’t agree) then we won’t have any buses!!!!
They haven’t got enough drivers, there is a shortage!
Pay the drivers a better wage with good terms and conditions, then they might have enough! So there will be even less drivers.

AlviarinAesSedai · 20/11/2023 23:01

Yes are travelling folk, if I had to guess.
I’m sure there are sites, they used to use just off rotary way, but it looks like a works storage park now.
But if they don’t reopen the building I will just not bother going to Durham. No toilet and waiting in the freezing cold is not worth it.
And someone said the bus station won’t be ready until January!

PickAChew · 20/11/2023 23:22

The bus station is definitely competing with the Metro for implementation delays!

If GNE drivers were sacked, no way would anyone enthusiastically want to take their place. Crap conditions is how you end.up with grumpy, unhelpful drivers

DianaBarry5 · 21/11/2023 06:18

It's a scandal that a whole region is without public transport and even more scandalous is that I wouldn't know a thing about it if my dd didn't use the service. Service ... ha ha ha ha

AlviarinAesSedai · 21/11/2023 07:01

It’s ridiculous, there are posts everyday on a couple of local Facebook pages I’m on, asking what time the buses are.
It’s just now being mentioned on news(local). Before was only on traffic reports.

Anexschoolbusdriver · 21/11/2023 08:57

Winwit · 20/11/2023 22:44

I remember back in the 80s when the American air traffic controllers went on strike for more money. President Nixon ordered them back to work and if they refused they got sacked, plus a lifetime ban on anyone rehiring them in that role. I don’t see why the government can’t step in and do that with the north east buses because the situation is ridiculous.

Because it would be illegal, not that that seems to worry this government.

It was Reagan not Nixon.

The companies can't fill the jobs they have now despite there being a huge number of qualified drivers not using their licences.

Is that you Mrs Thatcher's ghost?

SequentialAnalyst · 21/11/2023 14:43

Yes, it's a scandal that a whole region is without public transport.
But that is not the fault of the drivers.
It's the fault of a system which grinds down ordinary working people, takes every spare penny it can from them, hands it to the Rich People, and doesn't care.

Time for this to change.

In the US there have been several long term strikes over the summer and autumn. Recently these have been resolved, by employers agreeing to changes in their conditions of employment, including pay.

I suspect the approach of Thanksgiving and the Festive Season has had a small part in ending those strikes.

As I've said before, cynical me suspects Go NE are hoping the thought of the drivers' DC with No Christmas Presents will do the trickHmm If this is so, then I suspect the more cynical (and experienced) strikers see right through it. Which, if it were me, would make me even more determined!

Nolongera · 21/11/2023 14:54

SequentialAnalyst · 21/11/2023 14:43

Yes, it's a scandal that a whole region is without public transport.
But that is not the fault of the drivers.
It's the fault of a system which grinds down ordinary working people, takes every spare penny it can from them, hands it to the Rich People, and doesn't care.

Time for this to change.

In the US there have been several long term strikes over the summer and autumn. Recently these have been resolved, by employers agreeing to changes in their conditions of employment, including pay.

I suspect the approach of Thanksgiving and the Festive Season has had a small part in ending those strikes.

As I've said before, cynical me suspects Go NE are hoping the thought of the drivers' DC with No Christmas Presents will do the trickHmm If this is so, then I suspect the more cynical (and experienced) strikers see right through it. Which, if it were me, would make me even more determined!

They are getting £70 a day from the union, plus many are working in their free time, they won't be starved back to work.

SequentialAnalyst · 21/11/2023 16:24

That's a good thing, isn't it?
Or would you rather they were starved back to work?

Nolongera · 21/11/2023 16:59

SequentialAnalyst · 21/11/2023 16:24

That's a good thing, isn't it?
Or would you rather they were starved back to work?

I support the drivers 100%, just pointing out they are in a good position to stay out.

Winwit · 21/11/2023 17:12

SequentialAnalyst · 21/11/2023 16:24

That's a good thing, isn't it?
Or would you rather they were starved back to work?

Essential services shouldn’t be allowed to strike for long periods. We’re talking about elderly people being housebound and thousands unable to get to work, doctor, hospital etc. I was sympathetic to begin with but this is ridiculous. Nobody else goes on permanent strike even though they’re equally underpaid. And looking at the situation it’s pure greed, wanting to be paid the same as workers in areas with a higher cost of living. Sack them all I say!

Nolongera · 21/11/2023 18:25

Winwit · 21/11/2023 17:12

Essential services shouldn’t be allowed to strike for long periods. We’re talking about elderly people being housebound and thousands unable to get to work, doctor, hospital etc. I was sympathetic to begin with but this is ridiculous. Nobody else goes on permanent strike even though they’re equally underpaid. And looking at the situation it’s pure greed, wanting to be paid the same as workers in areas with a higher cost of living. Sack them all I say!

It's not run as an essential service, it's a for profit business.

It's not a permenant strike either, it's 12 weeks.

It's a democratically organised strike.

Who has the authority to sack them?

And who will drive your buses if they are sacked?

SequentialAnalyst · 21/11/2023 18:46

Yes, it's an essential service.
And yes, this gives extra leverage.
We used to have many essential services run by the gvt. - Royal Mail, railways, utilities...
(not the buses, but there were lots of small and large bus companies, as we discussed recently).
Then they were privatised.

Co.Durham has been exploited for its minerals over the past couple of centuries. These minerals, particularly coal, were the reason it became the cradle of the railways. Darlington built locomotives until Beeching closed down the line the locomotives needed to use for delivery, and was also known for fabricating large bridges. It even had Patons, who made knitting wool, a remnant of its past, which used to be based on wool.

Shildon's wagonworks, Consett steel works, Wolsingham and Tow Law foundries hung on as long as they could, but the iron had run out and there was no longer any call for wagons.
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This left a substantial population - which had only come about because of the coal industry - with no employment. To the West, for a while, the men had to rely on the womenfolk earning a living in the clothing industry - eg Burberry in Crook, Charnos in Peterlee who made clothes for M&S.

The coal industry hung on in the East, where the mines were deep, but there was still coal. Until Thatcher decided that unions were a bad thing. Next year is the 40th anniversary of the last miners' strike.

Now Co.Durham has some car assembly, some other relatively small industries, a University, a small tourist industry, a few gvt departments like Passport and Student Loans (if they are still in Darlo), selling things to each other, and a service industry.

Nolongera · 21/11/2023 18:53

SequentialAnalyst · 21/11/2023 18:46

Yes, it's an essential service.
And yes, this gives extra leverage.
We used to have many essential services run by the gvt. - Royal Mail, railways, utilities...
(not the buses, but there were lots of small and large bus companies, as we discussed recently).
Then they were privatised.

Co.Durham has been exploited for its minerals over the past couple of centuries. These minerals, particularly coal, were the reason it became the cradle of the railways. Darlington built locomotives until Beeching closed down the line the locomotives needed to use for delivery, and was also known for fabricating large bridges. It even had Patons, who made knitting wool, a remnant of its past, which used to be based on wool.

Shildon's wagonworks, Consett steel works, Wolsingham and Tow Law foundries hung on as long as they could, but the iron had run out and there was no longer any call for wagons.
.
This left a substantial population - which had only come about because of the coal industry - with no employment. To the West, for a while, the men had to rely on the womenfolk earning a living in the clothing industry - eg Burberry in Crook, Charnos in Peterlee who made clothes for M&S.

The coal industry hung on in the East, where the mines were deep, but there was still coal. Until Thatcher decided that unions were a bad thing. Next year is the 40th anniversary of the last miners' strike.

Now Co.Durham has some car assembly, some other relatively small industries, a University, a small tourist industry, a few gvt departments like Passport and Student Loans (if they are still in Darlo), selling things to each other, and a service industry.

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It's not an run as an essential service hence why many places have no service.

SequentialAnalyst · 21/11/2023 18:56

We are all agreeing, aren't we?
It is an essential service
But it is not run as an essential service.
Something has to change.

AlviarinAesSedai · 21/11/2023 19:05

Our bus service to Chester le Street. Including local/ neared school was just cancelled by GNE. They didn’t care that they were cutting people off from nearest proper supermarket.
Wasn’t making a profit, so it was cut. The new company is brilliant.
It’s run for profit and only profit.
I agree @SequentialAnalyst .
The miners strike was a very dark time in our village. We still haven’t really recovered. But we have new houses, new villages. They don’t understand the shared history.

AlviarinAesSedai · 21/11/2023 19:06

Not that the old miners wanted their son’s to go down pit. They wanted better.

Nolongera · 22/11/2023 15:09

Nothing will change, services continue to contract, no political party gives a shit and everyone blames the bus companies.

SequentialAnalyst · 23/11/2023 12:38

Not much joy for Durham folks in that timetableHmm

AlviarinAesSedai · 23/11/2023 13:42

The new bus for Sacriston to Fram. Must be for college students and a few Fram students. God knows how the Stanley kids are getting to New College.
Heard on radio could last until April!!!
Durham council need to remove funding for bus passes. It needs sorting, but nobody is mentioning it.

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