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Eviction/homeless

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Homeshouses · 22/10/2023 17:08

I have noticed alot of families being evicted and put into temporary accommodation. I went through this twice myself. But its definitely got worse over the past few years. It seens to be mainly no fault evictions and familys who are not able to private rent due to rents being so heigh Or they are on a low wage etc.

Theses familys are then put into temporary accommodation. Alot of this accommodation is very sub standard. Rats,mice, bed bugs ,damp,mold. It's also very expensive even though conditions are often as mentioned above.

There's not much point to my post really . I just feel bad for so many familys going through it. I can happen to anyone.

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dreamingofsun · 22/10/2023 17:18

It wouldnt have happened to a previous tenant of ours if she had paid her rent. And if I understand UC correctly the government were giving her money for the rent that she obviously spent on something else. She didnt need to trash the house either. Yes it was a no fault eviction, but that was so she couldnt find loopholes to make the whole process slower and cost us even more money. I do, however, sympathise with her daughter as i would hate to have a mother like that.

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Homeshouses · 22/10/2023 17:32

dreamingofsun · 22/10/2023 17:18

It wouldnt have happened to a previous tenant of ours if she had paid her rent. And if I understand UC correctly the government were giving her money for the rent that she obviously spent on something else. She didnt need to trash the house either. Yes it was a no fault eviction, but that was so she couldnt find loopholes to make the whole process slower and cost us even more money. I do, however, sympathise with her daughter as i would hate to have a mother like that.

I'm sorry you went through that as a landlord. That's very wrong. And it was not (really) a no fault eviction in this case . I'm talking about True no fault evictions not people who have trashed places and not paid their rent .

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MatthewsMumFromTikTok · 22/10/2023 17:45

Landlords do have a right to have their property back though

Tenants can find another property, or at least look... but the culture around it seems to be 'stay put, get evicted and then the council will have to give you a council/HA property'

Not fair on landlords really is it? It costs time and money

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Toddlerteaplease · 22/10/2023 17:50

Well according to Mumsnet. All land litters are money grabbing heartless crooks. Not people trying their best to make ends meet themselves or be a good landlord.

Toddlerteaplease · 22/10/2023 17:51

When you rent, you k is you may have to leave when you do t want too. Thats the risk with renting.

Toddlerteaplease · 22/10/2023 17:51

All landlords.

MatthewsMumFromTikTok · 22/10/2023 17:52

Everyone saying 'but what about the families'

Well what about the landlords family?

Just leave when your time is up... staying on forcing eviction is just wrong

WilmaWonka · 22/10/2023 17:55

Toddlerteaplease · 22/10/2023 17:51

When you rent, you k is you may have to leave when you do t want too. Thats the risk with renting.

That risk is hardly a choice for most renters these days is it though? The vast majority would prefer to own their own property and be in control of whether they have to move but with average house prices over 10 times the average wage and massive deposits needed, not achievable for many people!

Blackbyrd · 22/10/2023 18:05

Anyone in receipt of full Housing Costs Element (to Local Housing Allowance level if private) should have the rent paid directly to their landlord. Too many people are not paying their rent when they've had it reimbursed by the DWP. Then you have local authorities abusing their Discretionary Housing Payment budgets, landlords evicting using s21 when it should be s8 so allowing problem tenants to rinse and repeat and ever increasing housing demand through immigration. What do people think is going to happen? Too many people working the system and the genuine fall through the gaps in provision

dreamingofsun · 22/10/2023 18:12

getting rent paid directly to landlord from DWP is a nightmare...takes forever/never, with loads of excuses/barriers. And whilst i agree with your comment ref s21 and s8, its all about limiting your costs if you arent going to get money back from a bad tenant anyway.

Clearly there needs to be more housing, especially in the south. There also needs to be more personal responsibility - so use contraception till you find a decent bloke and then save for a deposit rather than rushing into things and having kids you cant really support, especially on a PT wage.

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Homeshouses · 22/10/2023 20:17

MatthewsMumFromTikTok · 22/10/2023 17:45

Landlords do have a right to have their property back though

Tenants can find another property, or at least look... but the culture around it seems to be 'stay put, get evicted and then the council will have to give you a council/HA property'

Not fair on landlords really is it? It costs time and money

Your totally right tenants should try and find a new place to rent.

Yes the owner had the right to have their house back. BUT the council will not help the tenant unless they are actually evicted believe me no one wants to go through eviction but its forced via council.

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Homeshouses · 22/10/2023 20:19

MatthewsMumFromTikTok · 22/10/2023 17:52

Everyone saying 'but what about the families'

Well what about the landlords family?

Just leave when your time is up... staying on forcing eviction is just wrong

You don't understand at all

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Homeshouses · 22/10/2023 20:23

Blackbyrd · 22/10/2023 18:05

Anyone in receipt of full Housing Costs Element (to Local Housing Allowance level if private) should have the rent paid directly to their landlord. Too many people are not paying their rent when they've had it reimbursed by the DWP. Then you have local authorities abusing their Discretionary Housing Payment budgets, landlords evicting using s21 when it should be s8 so allowing problem tenants to rinse and repeat and ever increasing housing demand through immigration. What do people think is going to happen? Too many people working the system and the genuine fall through the gaps in provision

100% agree I don't understand why it started getting paid to the tenant
I think that put landlords of alot. The tenant can request rent to be paid directly to landlord . But obviously is the tenant is a shit bag they won't do that.

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DyslexicPoster · 22/10/2023 20:23

Landlords are demonised on MN which may or may not be reflective of general feelings towards landlords. No wonder landlords want to sell up.

I'm a landlord and just don't want to do it anymore. Too much has changed in 20 years and I want to be rid of the commitment to it.

MatthewsMumFromTikTok · 22/10/2023 20:32

@Homeshouses er....don't understand what, exactly??

Babyroobs · 22/10/2023 20:37

Homeshouses · 22/10/2023 20:23

100% agree I don't understand why it started getting paid to the tenant
I think that put landlords of alot. The tenant can request rent to be paid directly to landlord . But obviously is the tenant is a shit bag they won't do that.

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Landlord can also request that UC pay it directly to them.

Babyroobs · 22/10/2023 20:38

DyslexicPoster · 22/10/2023 20:23

Landlords are demonised on MN which may or may not be reflective of general feelings towards landlords. No wonder landlords want to sell up.

I'm a landlord and just don't want to do it anymore. Too much has changed in 20 years and I want to be rid of the commitment to it.

Yes you all want to sell up now the long term damage is done and there's not so much profit in it for you all !

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Homeshouses · 22/10/2023 20:41

MatthewsMumFromTikTok · 22/10/2023 20:32

@Homeshouses er....don't understand what, exactly??

That the eviction is not because tenants don't want to leave or because they want to be difficult. If they can't find somewhere else then they have to go eviction route or the council will say they made themselves intentionally homeless by leaving before eviction. The council then won't help them. Meaning theh will be street homless. Social services them become involved.

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1stworldissues · 22/10/2023 20:47

dreamingofsun · 22/10/2023 18:12

getting rent paid directly to landlord from DWP is a nightmare...takes forever/never, with loads of excuses/barriers. And whilst i agree with your comment ref s21 and s8, its all about limiting your costs if you arent going to get money back from a bad tenant anyway.

Clearly there needs to be more housing, especially in the south. There also needs to be more personal responsibility - so use contraception till you find a decent bloke and then save for a deposit rather than rushing into things and having kids you cant really support, especially on a PT wage.

Absolute bull

You simply tell the DWP to pay it direct to the landlord

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Homeshouses · 22/10/2023 20:56

It's probably to late now. As many people only read the 1st op. But I really should have written my op better . This is not meant to be a tenant vs landlord thread. I was just trying to say the process is shit and how the council works forcing families to go through evictions before they will help. And it's definitely not fair in the landlord either .

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Homeshouses · 22/10/2023 21:15

Babyroobs · 22/10/2023 20:37

Landlord can also request that UC pay it directly to them.

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Yes they can. Not many people seem to know this though . I have always had mine paid directly and also wrote a letter that gave permission for landlord to access my housing benefit account. I have never ever been in rent arrears.

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dreamingofsun · 23/10/2023 09:17

Let me share my experience of asking the DWP to pay us directly because we werent getting rent from the tenant. They were very reluctant to do anything without the person's national insurance number which we didnt have - this has never been normal practise to get this for tenants with any agencies we have used. They eventually agreed that i could fill a form in. Heard nothing for weeks and weeks, so completed a paper copy and sent that off. Still heard nothing for weeks and was then told that it was an old form and i had to complete a new one. (not sure why they had an old one on website). By this time about 3 months had passed and we had managed to evict the tenant. And hanging on helplines for hours is not that great whilst you are trying to work.

dreamingofsun · 23/10/2023 09:22

babyroots - actually there is a lot more profit in being a landlord at the moment because the interest rates are so low. when we first started 20 years ago we made a loss each month.

the reason why we, and i imagine a lot of other landlords want to get out of it, is because of the legislation. And the risk of having awful tenants. Once the sales market picks up, and we can minimise our capital gains we will sell....obviously not helping our tenant who has been there for about 8 years paying below market rent for their renovated house.

Doagooddeed · 23/10/2023 09:24

MatthewsMumFromTikTok · 22/10/2023 17:52

Everyone saying 'but what about the families'

Well what about the landlords family?

Just leave when your time is up... staying on forcing eviction is just wrong

Thats not always possible now, i ve been served a sect21, 4 months in and despite looking as hard as i can, everywhere has 20 or 30 people going for one flat/house.
I'm also paying the increased rent as sect 13 served a few days later, i was there 21 years and never missed a rent payment, got the LL a new boiler and decorated the place, at my cost.

What would you suggest i do? take my 2 boys and live in cardboard boxes?

The Govt has made private renting (for the LL) harder/more costly/lack of reg on btl mortgages (interest only should never have been allowed) BUT at the same time not provided alternatives for tenants.

DyslexicPoster · 23/10/2023 09:32

Babyroobs · 22/10/2023 20:38

Yes you all want to sell up now the long term damage is done and there's not so much profit in it for you all !

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Yes of course I have made money. Why else would anyone do it? It was investment to get on the property laddr. It was never ever a charity situation or socail outreach. Never. I live in a rental. I won't my capital out to buy my own house now to live in now. As was always my plan.

I rent out a three bed 30 miles from London and the rent is around £300 less than market rate for the tennants. Everyone is putting their rent up by £500 pm to cover the mortgage increase. I don't want to do that. I want out before my fix ends. I don't have the stomach to ask for £500 increase. My interest has gone up by 5%. I don't want to pass that on. It's time for bigger more multiple portfolio landlords to take over.