Pregnant vaper

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Just that really, if you saw a pregnant woman vaping what would your honest opinion be?

I wouldn't judge you at all. I have a few friends who vaped throughout their pregnancies and this was not seen as an issue at all by their midwives so long as it prevented them from smoking.

The NHS website re: ecigs during pregnancy:

"Cigarettes deliver nicotine along with thousands of harmful chemicals. E-cigarettes allow you to inhale nicotine through a vapour rather than smoke. By itself, nicotine is relatively harmless."

www.nhs.uk/pregnancy/keeping-well/stop-smoking/

In a nutshell... yes I would judge and wish you weren't.
I would hope that it was nicotine free at best!
Babies who are exposed to nicotine the womb are high risk of developing lung, heart and brain abnormalities. Babies can also go through nicotine withdrawal when they are born!

Really?

Honestly, I'd judge.

I mean, if it were just you, then do what you like to your own body.

But you are bringing a child into this world. You are being selfish. They didn't ask for this.

I was brought up by an addict. It's scarred me for life.

I would mind my own business. I had the odd cigarette every so often in all of my pregnancies and my kids are all fine
No social media police preaching what folk should and shouldn't do back then either 😉

'I know someone who is fostering (with a view to adopting) a boy of 3 who has a life limiting lung condition caused by his bio mum vaping while pregnant and vaping around him for his first months of life. He is expected not to live beyond 7 years old.'

There is no mechanism by which vaping could induce a fatal lung condition in a child who was otherwise healthy. Either you've made this up or you've misunderstood some important medical fact. Either way, unpleasant to frighten people with groundless stories.

OP: I can see why you're anxious. I was a vaper before pregnancy (but minimally) and managed to give up, but can imagine that having not been the case. In reality, smoking or vaping are not the worst things you can do in pregnancy. Millions of healthy babies (both of my parents and many other boomers) were born to women who smoked heavily throughout pregnancy. For an adult moderate smoking appears to be significantly worse than moderate drinking. But for an embryo drinking is far more problematic. High doses of ibuprofen are safe for more adults but can cause serious complications in the third trimester. You can't generalise from how bad something is for you to how bad it is for a developing baby.

That said, it would obviously be much better to give up or, at least, cut down as far as possible. But you know that. If vaping is preventing you from doing something that is much worse then I wouldn't agonise about it.

I would think they are trying to cut out smoking and vapping is a step in that direction.

@hopsalong exactly this.
OP you have came an enormous journey and hats off to you! Maybe try and cut down with some plain chewing gum(that's what I am trying to do-not pregnant,just trying to cut down the vape) but honestly chill out and take it easy. Good luck and have a happy healthy baby and you ! x

There is no mechanism by which vaping could induce a fatal lung condition in a child who was otherwise healthy.

Not necessarily true, I can’t speak for the other poster however I will say that maternal e-cigarette use during pregnancy does disrupt lung development. This could absolutely lead to problems down the line as it prevents that child from developing healthily/normally, it stops the lungs as well as other organs from developing in the normal way.

It’s a personal choice, but it is a choice that comes with known risks to that baby.

I'd think it was none of my business.

First of all OP, well done you for trying to give up. That says a lot about you that you want the best for your baby.

Secondly, what I said about the 3 yr old with the life limiting condition is as far as I have been told, true. I know the mother of the woman who is adopting the boy (so the soon to be grandmother of the boy). The woman is also adopting the boys older brother and 2 younger sisters, none of whom have the same condition.

You’re right - perhaps there is more to the story than I know, maybe he already had a lung condition of some sort and the vaping exacerbated it. But I was told that it was caused by the vaping.

And to the person who said I am probably anti ‘everything’, I am certainly not. But when what the mother to be does affects an unborn baby in a negative way, then yes, I am anti whatever that might be and feel that the mother should do their absolute utmost to stop.

@Twospaniels

If your friend is adopting 4 children from the same mum, it's very likely that the family has far more serious problems going on than simple vaping - surely that's apparent to you?

I'm so sorry you went through this. Smoking is of course best to avoid during pregnancy, especially now we're aware of the dangers and effects it can have. Xx

@Twospaniels

Maybe choose to deal in facts, rather than hearsay then?

🙄

You’re right - perhaps there is more to the story than I know, maybe he already had a lung condition of some sort and the vaping exacerbated it. But I was told that it was caused by the vaping.

Before blindly accepting a story, maybe apply some critical thinking. Of course vaping when pregnant, and around a young baby, is not a healthy or acceptable practice. Can it definitively lead to death at 7 (latest)? Of course it can't, and that's where having some sense comes in

Id be pretty pissed off if I saw a pregnant women vaping. Purposely harming an unborn baby is never okay. It’s actually very sickening to think a mother would do that, poison their own, what a strange world we live in. I’m not gonna sugar coat it, it’s wrong and quite disgusting. I got diabetes when I was pregnant, couldn’t eat anything I liked, no sugar, no carbs couldn’t even have gravy on my meal. Meal times were bland and for someone who has had a sweet tooth their whole life it was hard. But I did it for my baby. We’d do anything for them right?

Someone asked why the OP is still vaping, nicotine is exceptionally addictive, which is why lots of people who used to use Class A drugs quit them all and get left with a smoking/cannabis/nicotine habit that's hard to shift, but lots do and the Op is heading in the right direction.

Yes this. Unless you've been an addict you have no idea how difficult it is. It's really hard to give up everything all in one go when you have addictions. There's a danger that the temptation will be too great and you'll end up relapsing if you give up everything at once. The OP has done really well to kick the drugs and cigs and perhaps in time will give up vaping too. Give her a break.

It must be nice to live a life where you're able to be so judgmental.

CantFindTheBeat the op asked for opinions, I gave mine. Sorry I don’t buy into the this whole ‘don’t judge’ bs. Everyone judges let’s not pretend otherwise. Society works on judgment, there has to be right and wrong and how do we know the difference…..judgement. Yes I’m gonna judge a mother who harms her unborn child, I’m also judging your for Pusey footing around people like this.

Absolute bollocks.

Babies who are exposed to nicotine the womb are high risk of developing lung, heart and brain abnormalities.

Evidence?

From a quick google:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2998347/#:~:text=A%20large%20body%20of%20documented,for%20neurologic%20conditions%20in%20humans.

Ah, 'People like this'

Well done on your perfect world, @Magnum09

I hope your daughters, sisters, granddaughters and beyond never need your support to help them navigate hard times. Little note for you: perfect worlds DON'T exist.

Feel free to judge me, sweetheart.

Your family will be turning to people like me when your black and white, , unyielding pious outlook falls short 🥰 which given your stance on this thread, I imagine already has 💕