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what if, everyone is only allowed to buy their own home, no more buy to let, what happen then?

140 replies

happyfishcoco · 19/10/2023 18:09

just a hypothetical question.

I am very curious.
as some people cannot afford a house and blame the landlords.
And they are very happy that nowadays landlords are selling up their houses because of the interest rate going up. They think this will make house prices go down and become affordable.

SO, is that true?
from an economic perspective how would it be, if the UK government do not allow people buy to let?
(also not allow the company to do so.)

where do people live?
Why gov cannot have more affordable houses for people?

OP posts:
Ginmonkeyagain · 21/10/2023 10:07

"Accidental landlord" seems to be a pleading self justification. Own your financial choices.

lightisnotwhite · 21/10/2023 10:07

I have posted this before but when I’m prime minister everyone will be able to have one house they can let out at any price they want.
Two to five rentals can only be rented out at HA prices ie 80% of local private rent.
Over five and it’s HA rent and you have to take tenants off the housing waiting list.

Angrycat2768 · 21/10/2023 10:11

I think one problem that can be more eadily sorted is foreign jnvestment and the sheer number of empty home lying about partly as a result of this. Foreign investors using UK property as some kind of bank and leaving them to lie empty. Some of these people are laundering money from criminal enterprises, especially in the City of London. Uou font need to ban people from buy to let ( people still need and want to rent, some people are good landlords and use btl as an income stream, like any other job. But we shouldn't be allowing foreign investors buy up property and leave it empty. I'm sure this happens elsewhere in the world.

Disorganisedmess2023 · 21/10/2023 10:11

Ginmonkeyagain · 21/10/2023 10:07

"Accidental landlord" seems to be a pleading self justification. Own your financial choices.

I'm not a landlord but I don't judge those that are. I rented for many years so I needed those landlords.

lightisnotwhite · 21/10/2023 10:13

SABM10 · 20/10/2023 09:30

I'm an 'accidental' landlord (I got married and moved in with my husband). I rent my house to a lovely family for literally the mortgage amount - about half market rate. What are my other options? My tenants will never be able to afford a mortgage. I've even offered to sell them the house at a vastly reduced amount but they cant get a mortgage. So what can i do? I can sell the house and make a tidy profit (this is the Bristol market and house prices are obscene) but then my tenants are homeless. Or I can carry on renting it to them for half the market rate. I'm not saying my situation is normal but really should I feel bad for being a landlord here??

You are the ideal I suppose. And a minority.
It’s not even the rack and stack rents it’s that the property itself is hyper inflated.

You say they cover the mortgage yet can’t afford a mortgage. Surely this is the problem? Are they on housing benefit?

Disorganisedmess2023 · 21/10/2023 10:13

Ginmonkeyagain · 21/10/2023 10:03

But it still isn't an accident. Even in those circumstances you have choices - leave the property empty, sell at a loss or rent it out. You chose to rent it out, there is nothing wrong with that, but it is not an "accident". Going in to business to provide a life essential service to someone else should not be described as an "accident" it is a proactive choice. You are no different from a corporate or investment landlord under the law and not should you be.

Tenants are people looking for a home, not handy mortgage paying units.

Edited

So you honestly can't see a single situation where someone has to rent out their property? They're all money grabbing in your eyes?

Ginmonkeyagain · 21/10/2023 10:16

The whole system is a mess.

Longer term stable rented accomodation is needed for people who prefer not to buy or for whom home ownership is not suitable. I think there is a role for pension funds and oher institutional investors to provide this sort of thing. Government should look at in entivising this.

There is also a role for short term rentals.

A big problem we have at te moment is the marlet is over run by small time, amateur investor. Many of whom has mistakenly tied up their assets in something very illiquid and frequently lack the expertise and funds to deliver the kind of service tenants should expect. TBH we really need to get those people out of the rental market. They add very little value and the properties they buy or retain are the kind that FtBs often want, so releasing them back on to the market should make the bottom end of the market more affordable.

Resilience · 21/10/2023 10:42

When I first left home, renting a home was on average 30% cheaper than having a mortgage (controlled for deposit etc). Nowadays that's simply not the case and means that those on lower incomes living in rented accommodation are often spending more of their income on their housing than those more comfortably off buying their homes. This actively works against them getting out of that situation too because it makes saving for a deposit more difficult.

I don't know what the solution is other than a complete legal overhaul of the rental market. Other posters have suggested that BTL LLs trying to charge a rent that covers the mortgage plus making a profit is the problem. I have some sympathy with this as personal wealth creation that comes at the expense of an affordable roof over other people's head doesn't sit right with me, particularly given the UKs unique situation regarding housing. However, this would also act to keep property ownership the preserve of the rich, so it's not a perfect solution by any means. Likewise, like others I've had the misfortune of seeing professional landlords with large portfolios wring ever last penny out of their property, and despite huge profits and minimal costs, refuse to invest in property upgrades or enhance their tenant's experience.

I think rent regulation and control, following extensive consultation with all stakeholders (to guard against the law of unintended consequences) is the only way forward.

SABM10 · 22/10/2023 12:36

lightisnotwhite · 21/10/2023 10:13

You are the ideal I suppose. And a minority.
It’s not even the rack and stack rents it’s that the property itself is hyper inflated.

You say they cover the mortgage yet can’t afford a mortgage. Surely this is the problem? Are they on housing benefit?

Of course this is the problem. And yes they're on HB. I detest the housing market and would love nothing more than to sell my house to my brother and his family for a reasonable rate. But ultimately he can't get a mortgage so what can I do??

Fizbosshoes · 22/10/2023 22:34

Some people I imagine are "accidental LL" whereby if they can't sell their property (either no one buying that type of property or they would be in negative equity if they could only sell for less than what they paid) then the options are leave it empty or rent it out. I'm not sure that leaving it empty is any better...?

Nanaof1 · 23/10/2023 22:52

Disorganisedmess2023 · 21/10/2023 10:13

So you honestly can't see a single situation where someone has to rent out their property? They're all money grabbing in your eyes?

I have a feeling that the above poster would rather everyone who has an extra house to either sell at a large loss or "give it away", while still paying the mortgage on it.

It's not always the LL that are greedy.

Ladyof2022 · 23/10/2023 23:14

I strongly believe that all rental accommodation should be owned by the state that way fair rents can be set and regulated, all repairs etc would be guaranteed to be done because they would have thousands of builders available working for one Central office, and any profit would go back into the system and be used for repairs and rebuilding and building new properties to let.

RockaLock · 24/10/2023 10:09

LOL at the thought that state-owned rental properties would be properly repaired and maintained:

www.itv.com/news/2021-05-07/croydon-council-lacked-care-and-respect-for-tenants-report-finds-following-itv-news-housing-mould-investigation

Fordian · 24/10/2023 11:09

AllegroConMoto · 19/10/2023 19:21

I think what’s really missing from the UK market is secure, long-term private rentals at a reasonable cost.

I’d like to see rentals fall into 3 categories:

Social housing provided for as long as it’s needed, for life if needed, but to be reviewed as and when circumstances change
Long-term rentals that are basically a private version of current social housing - restricted to landlords being companies rather than individuals, and company could make a profit, but there would be controls on things like rent increases and extortionate profits.
Short-term rentals - like the existing rental market, and available to individuals, but it would be a much smaller market as anyone who wanted or needed to rent long-term would use one of the other options.

I agree with you.

Rental property isn't the issue, it's the lack of regulation on it. And a generation who view property like a money box.

I'd effectively ban 'ave a go LLs. I'd make security of tenure much stronger, given that as a private tenant you have precisely 60 days' security before having to move jobs, schools, neighbourhoods. And you have some pimply youth judging a scum ring in your bath every 3 months.

There should be rent controls, and minimum standards of facilities.

Fordian · 24/10/2023 11:17

DivingForLove · 19/10/2023 22:55

We need to get rid of empty second homes and entirely abolish the right for non doms to buy here - the latter should not be using our housing stock as a get rich quick scheme 🤬

Yep.

There should be a heavy tax on an empty house.

Desirable touristy areas should have caps on the allowable number of AirB'n'Bs.

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