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Really hurt we aren’t engaged yet

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Curlysuesfuture · 10/10/2023 13:31

I’m in a long term relationship and we have a baby. In the early stages of our relationship I said I didn’t want to get married due to issues with my ex (my first child’s dad). Dp respected my wishes despite wanting to be married one day.
As time passed I thought it would be nice if we did marry as I finally felt at peace in a relationship which I’ve never had before. I told Dp around 2 years ago that marriage was on the cards if he wanted it as I’d love to be his wife. He was really happy and we spoke about what wedding location we’d like etc and I mentioned that I’d like a proposal as no man had done anything nice or romantic for me before, I wanted that special memory for myself. All was well.
We began ttc soon after as we both desperately wanted a baby together and with our ages we knew we didn’t have forever. I felt reassured we’d marry after the baby arrived so I didn’t care about the order it was in. We still spoke about it occasionally and he told me it was very important to him that we marry and have a family unit.
Except there has been no hint of an engagement and wedding talk has dropped since. I know we’re distracted with our baby, but I thought having him would have spurred him to propose.
Now I’m at the point where I feel embarrassed to bring up the subject again and also feeling a bit down and stupid that someone who is supposed to love me has no interest in marrying me when it was initially his idea.
I know I’ll be told to propose myself or ask him to arrange a wedding, but this is what I’m struggling with. Having to prompt him to marry me isn’t what I want. I’d rather it happened because he asked me and not that I’d pressured him to or it would feel forced and fake. I don’t know how to ask him to plan a wedding with me without feeling embarrassed and awkward.
there was a day recently where I thought he’d propose. He had a small box that a ring would come in and he gave it to me. It was a lovely pair of earrings, but I felt like shit that I’d mentally prepared for a proposal to find it wasn’t. He knew something was wrong but didn’t ask me, although he probably suspected what was on my mind.
admittedly he had time where he had to accept no marriage for us for me to later change my mind, perhaps he’s now changed his mind or just doesn’t want to marry me anymore. Either way I’m scared to know the truth and worried about why it hasn’t happened yet.
it isn’t financial as he has a lot of savings and I even made it known a £10 ring is more than enough, I don’t care about price or fancy things. I only want a basic registry office with us, our son and parents, not the big white wedding.
I am financially independent and the house is mine to clarify for the incoming questions around this. I want to marry for love not security.
I know in a good relationship you should be open and honest, but I’m finding it hard to know how to word my feelings about this and essentially giving him an ultimatum to tell me what’s causing the delay. Marriage has suddenly become important to me where it wasn’t before and I’ve come to realise if he doesn’t marry me it’s a deal breaker.
What do you think is the best way/wording for me to bring up the subject? Bare in mind I have awful anxiety so this may seem silly and minor to some, but to me this is really difficult all while feel hurt and emotional. Any advice or experiences would be appreciated.

OP posts:
Torganer · 10/10/2023 13:34

Do some research, show him the registry office you’d like to get married in, say there are available dates in December (or whenever) and see what he says. If being married is the most important thing, then I would just get on with it. You can do it in your lunch hour these days.

NnarcissaMalfoy · 10/10/2023 13:35

Why do you feel anxious and embarrassed at bringing it up again, ie what are you worried about in his reaction? It sounds like it's just dropped off his agenda in the busyness of life with a baby and also that he's not clear on how truly important this is to you now (as all he knows is you originally didn't want to be married and are now open to it - he doesn't know how strongly you feel). I would ask him what the plan is and tell him plainly that the wait is making you anxious and upset and you want to be engaged now.

Mummumgem · 10/10/2023 13:36

How long is it since your baby was born ?

maybe he’s waiting for a special date, first date/birthday/Christmas/your birthday? You said you wanted it special so it would make sense.

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Barneysma2 · 10/10/2023 13:43

You say you didn't want to get married despite him wanting to but he respected your wishes and accepted this. You have now changed your mind and now say if he doesn't want to marry its a deal breaker which leads me to ask why are you not respecting his wishes? Maybe he wants to wait until the baby is older etc? Seems a bit unfair for you to be the one making all the rules in this. From what you have said, he seems like a good bloke, I would be careful in doing something irrational like breaking the relationship up as he may very well be planning to propose at some point soon. None of us here can say whether he wants to get married still, you need to have an honest conversation with him and ask him. Nothing from what I have read says to me he doesn't want to get married it's just maybe he's more laid back about it than you

RowenaEllis · 10/10/2023 13:45

Ugh
you are waiting for a proposal that you think you want but it's making you sad. You know you want to get married, you know he wants to, but you won't bring it up. Ridiculous. A proposal (especially when you've already discussed marriage!!) isn't some special display of love. It's pantomime. The important bit is the wedding and marriage afterwards. Why don't you ask him to arrange a nice date night for you and just bring it up, when you're both feeling nice and close and dressed up and special. Stop waiting for the magic proposal!

parietal · 10/10/2023 13:47

Ask him - what do you think about being married? That is the discussion that matters. If he says yes I want to be married, then you can say that you would really like a special proposal. That should give him a good nudge.

SeulementUneFois · 10/10/2023 13:51

OP

I completely understand you.
Different circumstances, but I will be having a conversation with my DP on this very soon.

I will be very pragmatic, and note that it's a deal-breaker, and have a timeline to give him.

I'm sad that that's what it's come to , and that I have to do this. My timeline is not immediate but his response could be (if negative).

I'm already mentally preparing myself for it, and have started looking at Rightmove / mortgage calculators.

Summerslimtime · 10/10/2023 13:53

Engagement means nothing at all. If you own your house outright is it in your interest to get married?

DappledThings · 10/10/2023 13:57

You've discussed marriage and both said openly it's what you want. So you are engaged. A big proposal now would just be for show. Maybe he feels as awkward about proposing to someone he's already engaged to as I would.

Curlysuesfuture · 10/10/2023 14:01

Mummumgem - he’s almost 6 months. All the ‘special’ days like birthdays, anniversary etc have recently passed so if he was waiting for them it’s been and gone.
Barneysma2- I don’t know what you mean about respecting his wishes as he hasn’t discussed with me when it will happen or what the delay is. If he told me then of course I’d respect whatever it is, but the not knowing is what hurts. I’m not making all the rules I just want to know where I stand, people change their minds at any time so I want to know we’re on the same path.
RowenaEllis - as I said I’m happy to discuss it and plan a wedding skipping the proposal but I’m nervous about raising the subject due to my anxiety and fear of what he may say. It’s not the magical proposal I’m waiting for, I couldn’t care less if it was over a text/ at a check out with a pound shop ring, turning up to a registry office without prior planning I just want to talk about it but I don’t know how.
SeulementUneFois - sorry to hear you’re in the same position, I hope it works out for you. Do you have a plan in mind?
Thanks for all other replies and suggestions

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saveforthat · 10/10/2023 14:06

I'm astounded that you trust your partner enough to have a child with him but can't talk honestly about this. Why don't you buy him a ring and get down on one knee? If he says yes, start booking the venue etc. Immediately.

Lavenderosa · 10/10/2023 14:07

"there was a day recently where I thought he’d propose. He had a small box that a ring would come in and he gave it to me. It was a lovely pair of earrings,"

You need a hug - that's a painful let down. You want a romantic proposal so you'll know that he really wants to marry you. He's had 2 years to do it and presumably plenty of opportunities eg birthdays, Christmas, New Year, when you became pregnant, when the baby was born but every time a special day comes and goes, you feel disappointed. I wonder if he realises this?

Could you remind him that he said 'it was very important to him that we marry and have a family unit'? Ask him if he still feels the same and if he does, you'd like a romantic proposal with an engagement ring before Christmas so you can arrange a spring wedding. What do you think he'd say to that?

Barneysma2 · 10/10/2023 14:09

Curlysuesfuture · 10/10/2023 14:01

Mummumgem - he’s almost 6 months. All the ‘special’ days like birthdays, anniversary etc have recently passed so if he was waiting for them it’s been and gone.
Barneysma2- I don’t know what you mean about respecting his wishes as he hasn’t discussed with me when it will happen or what the delay is. If he told me then of course I’d respect whatever it is, but the not knowing is what hurts. I’m not making all the rules I just want to know where I stand, people change their minds at any time so I want to know we’re on the same path.
RowenaEllis - as I said I’m happy to discuss it and plan a wedding skipping the proposal but I’m nervous about raising the subject due to my anxiety and fear of what he may say. It’s not the magical proposal I’m waiting for, I couldn’t care less if it was over a text/ at a check out with a pound shop ring, turning up to a registry office without prior planning I just want to talk about it but I don’t know how.
SeulementUneFois - sorry to hear you’re in the same position, I hope it works out for you. Do you have a plan in mind?
Thanks for all other replies and suggestions

Then I think the only thing I could say to you is you need to have a chat with him and ask him what the delay is. I think that is the only way you will start to move forward with everything. I do wish you luck, and I hope if you do have a chat with him he will tell you he wants to get married and you can start planning for it. I wasn't having a go in my post to you btw I was just trying to point out it seemed like it was OK to not get married when you didn't want to but now you do want to it seems like you're getting frustrated and hurt because he hasn't done it already, it seems like you are putting a lot of time pressure on it and like I said maybe he is just more laid back about it and doesn't realise how badly you want it, hence why I think you need to have that chat with him.

Janieforever · 10/10/2023 14:09

I don’t really understand op, why he couldn’t propose when you were ttc? Surely if you noth wanted to get married he’d have proposed fairly soon after that convo? So it’s been two years since you agreed and nothing, surely you didn’t need to give birth to seal the deal?

also as the house is yours, I’d be putting protection in order or you’re about to sign half over to him if he decides to marry you.

BerriesNutsConkers · 10/10/2023 14:10

RowenaEllis · 10/10/2023 13:45

Ugh
you are waiting for a proposal that you think you want but it's making you sad. You know you want to get married, you know he wants to, but you won't bring it up. Ridiculous. A proposal (especially when you've already discussed marriage!!) isn't some special display of love. It's pantomime. The important bit is the wedding and marriage afterwards. Why don't you ask him to arrange a nice date night for you and just bring it up, when you're both feeling nice and close and dressed up and special. Stop waiting for the magic proposal!

100% this

TomatoSandwiches · 10/10/2023 14:14

Maybe he has changed his mind about marriage?

PinkNailpolish · 10/10/2023 14:23

I am financially independent and the house is mine

You would lose half of this if you divorced. That's money you could give to your son. I don't think marriage works in anyone's favour unless you have similar salaries, shared assets etc.

IfYouDontAsk · 10/10/2023 14:26

I wouldn’t get married given that you have a child from a previous relationship. Easier to safeguard your children’s inheritance if you don’t.

SeulementUneFois · 10/10/2023 14:41

Thank you @Curlysuesfuture.
I'm actually planning to have the conversation this month , when we go on a city break.
We're together a number of years, gone through a lot together.
And I suppose this is how I feel - that if he doesn't feel strongly enough about me to do this, I don't want to stay in what to me was a limbo.

Stephisaur · 10/10/2023 16:06

I'm not saying this is the "right" way to go about it, but if you told your parents or a friend how you feel would they be the sort to ask him when he's planning to make an "honest woman" out of you now that the baby is here?

Also, you've said baby is 6 months old - is he financially placed to buy an engagement ring/plan a wedding?

It sucks feeling this way, I was the same at one point, but I'm sure he will ask and has his reasons for not having done so yet xx

Shoxfordian · 10/10/2023 16:12

Ask him how he feels about it - let go of the Disney princess proposal notions and act like an adult

Newgirls · 10/10/2023 16:14

You sound like you want the romance of a surprise engagement but you yourself closed the door on that a few years ago. You said you didn’t want that, own your own home and have had a baby. You two seem way past that. I agree with pp - book a fab restaurant or night away if you can and just be clear. The wedding itself will be the romantic day and the proposal itself old news very fast. Go for it!

PinkRoses1245 · 10/10/2023 16:33

saveforthat · 10/10/2023 14:06

I'm astounded that you trust your partner enough to have a child with him but can't talk honestly about this. Why don't you buy him a ring and get down on one knee? If he says yes, start booking the venue etc. Immediately.

I know, I cannot fathom this apprehension to discuss a grown up decision with a partner. Just ask him if he wants to get married and get planning!!

Thisismynewusername1 · 10/10/2023 16:38

Another one saying be very careful with marriage, especially if your eldest is not his.

if you divorce he could walk away with half your house and assets. If you died he can leave it to whoever he wants- or if he doesn’t make a will it will go to you shared child and your first will get nothing.

aside from all the romance, on a practical side are you willing to risk your home and independence?

Moldywarpedalright · 10/10/2023 16:49

RowenaEllis · 10/10/2023 13:45

Ugh
you are waiting for a proposal that you think you want but it's making you sad. You know you want to get married, you know he wants to, but you won't bring it up. Ridiculous. A proposal (especially when you've already discussed marriage!!) isn't some special display of love. It's pantomime. The important bit is the wedding and marriage afterwards. Why don't you ask him to arrange a nice date night for you and just bring it up, when you're both feeling nice and close and dressed up and special. Stop waiting for the magic proposal!

Fwiw , I don’t think what the op is feeling is ridiculous. I totally get it. She’s wants to be sure that her other half wants to marry her off his own bat, rather than him doing it out of duty , or because he feels pressured, having changed his mind. Makes perfect sense to me!

Op I don’t know what to suggest in this situation. It’s a delicate one. Not a helpful thing to say but I personally wouldn’t have a baby with someone before I was married to them. I know that’s considered old fashioned but there you go. I hope things work out for you both.

All I know is that it’s better to withdraw rather then chase in circumstances like this imho. Hopefully he’ll come running and if he doesn’t, you have your answer. Good luck!