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If you work in a school does this sound familiar?

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1newname · 10/10/2023 12:34

I'm not a teacher but work in a school and am wondering if my school is particularly bad.

A number of teachers and TAs are off sick with stress. We seem to have so many children with SEN and behaviour problems who need 1:1 care but they don't. Even the school dinners have gone down in quality massively since I joined the school 9 years ago.

I'm in London so is this happening all over the UK? It's pretty depressing to be honest and I'm increasingly feeling like the whole country is going to shit.

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LNY1986 · 10/10/2023 18:58

I did 7 years as a TA in a large secondary school in Oxfordshire. Couldn't wait to get out of the profession, especially after Covid.

Too many parents who have kids without really wanting the 18 years plus responsibility that they entail.
A lot of these delinquent kids very sadly are born solely for the extra universal credit elements (and extra bedroom allowance)
we used to get so many parents asking us to fill out the benefit forms describing their 'additional needs' in support of their claims (a few of these parents were abusive any other time we called them about their child's disruptive behaviour and would even swear at us and threaten us and would never back us up with the kids)
They really have no hope in life, it was quite devastating to see.
Instead of taking the kids away and placing them from an early age into a family who will love and nurture them, the health service encourages parents to get them diagnosed with all these behavioural disorders which have sprung up from nowhere over the last 25 or so years. So now the whole family are absolved of all responsibility. How dare the school exclude our neurodiverse precious darlings. Also added DLA bonus thrown in.
I really don't know what the answer is.

The country has had it.

PeggyPiglet · 10/10/2023 19:08

Yep it's a shit show.
I'm planning to get out by next year.

I've only been teaching 10 years and I've hung on longer than I should have.

NewYorkBride · 10/10/2023 19:15

I'm off sick at the moment with stress Vomiting, crying, weight dropping off. I look like awful- a mouth full of cold sores and I'm very experienced.

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EyeScroll · 10/10/2023 19:19

Totally agree with previous posters. Every year behaviour gets worse and this year it is unbelievable, I don't feel like I can actually teach most of the time. The saving grace of the job has always been seeing the children progress, academically, emotionally - in all ways possible. I don't feel like it's possible to make the impact the children deserve anymore. I don't even feel like I can keep the children safe sometimes - too many complex behaviours and violence seems to be becoming normalised.

i have my exit plan. I feel very sad for school workers and school children everywhere. It could be the best job in the world - we have to get to the bottom of this worsening issue.

Shinyandnew1 · 10/10/2023 20:03

It’s dreadful in my school-we have EHCPs with inadequate funding, ones that have gone months outside the 20 week timescale because the LA have insufficient staff to do the paperwork, and we can’t recruit TAs for love nor money. We have 7 in reception still in nappies-none of the TA staff are happy about doing the nappy changing, so lots are applying for jobs elsewhere.

Parents are desperate because they have had very little support from speech therapy, occupational therapy, health visitors, or paediatricians over the last 3 years and those services have been cut to the bone so any referrals that we do make are taking years.

The actual buildings are crumbling-due to age and crap material, nothing to do with concrete cancer. Windows don’t open or close properly, ceilings leak, carpets are mouldy, sinks smell, technology doesn’t work and we can’t afford to upgrade it.

The children themselves often don’t seem happy-the curriculum is overpacked, focusing on pointless things and they are constantly being tested. The mental health and stress levels are massively high and school refusal and aggressive outbursts are frequent.

Teachers are stressed because Ofsted are focused on subject leadership but primary teachers are neither paid for or given release time to do any subject work. The levels of SEN are high, expectations are insane and all this means that general morale is rock bottom.

The school vacancies on the school job website just go on and on-I have never seen it so bad. There seem to be endless head and senco jobs advertised as well, so it’s not just classroom teachers who are fleeing.

greengreengrass25 · 10/10/2023 20:07

Shinyandnew1 · 10/10/2023 20:03

It’s dreadful in my school-we have EHCPs with inadequate funding, ones that have gone months outside the 20 week timescale because the LA have insufficient staff to do the paperwork, and we can’t recruit TAs for love nor money. We have 7 in reception still in nappies-none of the TA staff are happy about doing the nappy changing, so lots are applying for jobs elsewhere.

Parents are desperate because they have had very little support from speech therapy, occupational therapy, health visitors, or paediatricians over the last 3 years and those services have been cut to the bone so any referrals that we do make are taking years.

The actual buildings are crumbling-due to age and crap material, nothing to do with concrete cancer. Windows don’t open or close properly, ceilings leak, carpets are mouldy, sinks smell, technology doesn’t work and we can’t afford to upgrade it.

The children themselves often don’t seem happy-the curriculum is overpacked, focusing on pointless things and they are constantly being tested. The mental health and stress levels are massively high and school refusal and aggressive outbursts are frequent.

Teachers are stressed because Ofsted are focused on subject leadership but primary teachers are neither paid for or given release time to do any subject work. The levels of SEN are high, expectations are insane and all this means that general morale is rock bottom.

The school vacancies on the school job website just go on and on-I have never seen it so bad. There seem to be endless head and senco jobs advertised as well, so it’s not just classroom teachers who are fleeing.

It's unbelievable that all these kids are in nappies still.

I don't blame TAs for leaving

Dreamingofbeergardens · 10/10/2023 20:27

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LemonJelly92 · 10/10/2023 20:49

Secondary in Wales. Behaviour is horrific.

1newname · 10/10/2023 21:02

I was kind of hoping it was more a London thing. Hearing all these stories shows just how bad it is.

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LadyHag · 10/10/2023 21:04

LNY1986 · 10/10/2023 18:58

I did 7 years as a TA in a large secondary school in Oxfordshire. Couldn't wait to get out of the profession, especially after Covid.

Too many parents who have kids without really wanting the 18 years plus responsibility that they entail.
A lot of these delinquent kids very sadly are born solely for the extra universal credit elements (and extra bedroom allowance)
we used to get so many parents asking us to fill out the benefit forms describing their 'additional needs' in support of their claims (a few of these parents were abusive any other time we called them about their child's disruptive behaviour and would even swear at us and threaten us and would never back us up with the kids)
They really have no hope in life, it was quite devastating to see.
Instead of taking the kids away and placing them from an early age into a family who will love and nurture them, the health service encourages parents to get them diagnosed with all these behavioural disorders which have sprung up from nowhere over the last 25 or so years. So now the whole family are absolved of all responsibility. How dare the school exclude our neurodiverse precious darlings. Also added DLA bonus thrown in.
I really don't know what the answer is.

The country has had it.

Yes to this.

Plus parents who cant parent - no parenting skills, no discipline, most of start and end tomes are spent listening to patents , if bothering to communicate wth their children, comingbout with gems such ad "for fuck's sake gerrof him " "yeah he's right little shit at home" etc etc, ypu will all recognise it.

There is a loss of social cohesion where adults work together and that community, your place in society, how your behaviour impacts others, is rapidly disappearing, thete is no village to raise the child.

It is all beconing so inward looking, all about the self, self image ather than behaviours and how we inteact with others.

MrsHamlet · 10/10/2023 21:38

North west. Secondary. Student in my class with 2:1 support in mainstream. Except we can't find anyone to be the support. It's chaos.

thisisasurvivor · 10/10/2023 21:43

AnySoln · 10/10/2023 14:26

Theres a lot more sen.The secondary we applied for has gone from 1ehcp child per year to like 6 per year in just 3 years. Its almost one per class. Thats without undiagnosed kids.
I think 5% of kids have FASD.
Personally i think its so many people having kids later. Looked at the data and in just 10y its moved from parents being 20-30 to 30-40. The 40+ was quite constant.
Also possibly heavier mums and dad arent helping. There is increased risks of i think asd with diabetes.

There is also a number more undiagnosed kids. As waitlist being 2 years.
And more kids forced to stay in mainstream.
There was 1 kid who was so far behind by y6 he didnt sit the SATs now how can he achieve any qualifications at secondary.
Other countries drop kids down!
Some kids missed almost a year of school - covid.

But also school isnt what is was.

My dc had to sit for carpet time (which never existed at my school) too close etc.
A lot lot of free play in reception with the teachers paying no attention so kids being mean to each other etc. With 60 kids milling about.
The school has doubled in intake but eg the hall is still for 30 intake.

Much less attention and development as instead of eg a nativity for 30 kids and parents it was all 60 on stage they couldnt move! Thats an eg but its right through the school too many kids! Obviously more kids at playtime which obviously not supervised by teachers so again issues.
Then there is the lack of motivation as no rewards in primary for doing well. Or doing anything.

Theres been a change from dc1 to dc2.
Dc2 year group (and dc1 now) the kids arent being sent to HT for hitting and the other kids are noticing and commenting. No point complaining as x is never told off ..
Dd2 who has never got in trouble at school got punched in the back by a boy who used to be a friend while queuing. She pinched him back.

Come off it

Also 5 per cent FaSd
Send me all the links to the research please

LegendsBeyond · 10/10/2023 21:44

It’s hideous & getting worse. I honestly wouldn’t have a child now if I couldn’t afford private school for them. It’s very sad.

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 10/10/2023 21:53

We are fortunate at my school, in that we have no lack of teachers and nobody currently off with stress. I think that's largely because we are a high-performing girls' grammar school with very well-behaved students. That doesn't reduce the workload though - it just means that the actual teaching is pleasant enough not to make you too ground down to do everything else. But I've just put in yet another 11 hour day and still have 7 overdue tasks on my to-do list. It's not really tenable.

RuleWithAWoodenFoot · 10/10/2023 21:57

I left this summer. Underfunded inclusion, lack of specialist provision and a speedy, rammed curriculum were my reasons.

Tribevibes · 10/10/2023 21:58

Midlands. Similar shit show here.

swallowedAfly · 10/10/2023 21:59

Midlands and all of the above. Signed off by week 4 of term this year after panic attacks, crying fits and not sleeping.

I'm on my way out. Presumably within a few months.

Rewindthefilm · 10/10/2023 22:00

@Tsulsaquoola pretty much what I am seeing too- also NW. I think this will be my last year teaching. No support, no training for dealing with complex needs, everyone stressed to the eyeballs, lots of late night planning and marking for lessons that inevitably get derailed and all leadership want to know is what I am doing for the kids.

Lilacdressinggown · 10/10/2023 22:01

Yep. TA here. There are too many SEN in mainstream now - everyone suffers, the SEN children, the other children and the teachers/TAs.
Bloody Tories and their cuts.

LNY1986 · 10/10/2023 22:20

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1newname · 10/10/2023 22:32

@LNY1986 interesting. I do wonder what it's like in other countries, say France or Germany, in terms of the amount of children diagnosed with SEND.

And in case anyone gets defensive, I'm not denying the existence but I see parents pushing and pushing for a diagnosis when the child is clearly fine but their parenting is bloody shocking.

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Many special education needs are diverse and not visible. It can be extremely challenging to determine if a child has SEN. Symptoms can be subtle or misunderstood. I'm not saying misdiagnoses are impossible, however in my 18 years experience in education I never came across a child who I feel had been misdiagnosed. The majority of diagnoses are made after thorough assessments by professionals.

Early intervention can be life changing. Accusing parents of chasing some sort of "fashion statement" is distasteful. I have yet to experience a parent who wouldn't magic wand away their child's SEN if they could. Most parents want the best for their children, and some genuinely require assistance to navigate the challenges of SEN.

Yes the system is completely fucked. It's one of the many reasons I got out of teaching. However I find your comments insulting and in very poor taste.

My son has autism and if I could somehow magic it away, believe me I would. I struggled to face getting him diagnosed as I knew, deep down, he would be found to be autistic as I now realise I am too. I therefore fully appreciate ways in which he will struggle. I don't see it as "fashionable" in fact quite the opposite - no one knows expect me and OH (and the school). Most people just don't get it. Furthermore, I receive no money in relation to his diagnosis.

noblegiraffe · 10/10/2023 22:43

It has become far too fashionable to chase after a diagnosis, it's an instant get out clause for some parents (and their unruly kids), it is also a rather lucrative money spinner.

Wtf. Have you seen the length of the waiting lists? Kids who desperately need to see experts are being turned away because their need isn't deemed great enough for a diagnosis referral as their family hasn't actually broken down at the lack of support.

As for money, a diagnosis comes with nothing. No money.

User10932 · 10/10/2023 22:44

Yes unfortunately! Surrey… planning my get out now! DH today said to me (bless him, must be sick of me venting on a daily basis!) that schools are now businesses, those that should care about staff wellbeing, don’t, and everyone else is overworked, underpaid and leaving in droves. Really sad state of affairs!

Ilikeyourdecor · 10/10/2023 22:54

thisisasurvivor · 10/10/2023 21:43

Come off it

Also 5 per cent FaSd
Send me all the links to the research please

I looked it up and 5% seems to be American.
But I found this which discusses various studies ranging from 1.8% to 17%,. Global estimate study is 3. 24%. Significantly higher for children in care, estimated as high as 27%.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/fetal-alcohol-spectrum-disorder-health-needs-assessment/fetal-alcohol-spectrum-disorder-health-needs-assessment#prevention-and-management