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A mobility scooter crashed into me

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Invalidusername88 · 05/10/2023 12:36

Sitting in a cafe nearly finished eating and this mobility scooter tries to get through the gap between my table and the wall. The frame of the scooter hit my table, she carried on going, the table spun round and sandwiched me against the wall, the table digging into my stomach with her still going. I was genuinely worried it wasn't going to stop but eventually it did, a few people including security came running. I was ok apart from a swollen arm and bruises. My memory is a bit blurry now but I think she took out the table and chairs behind me too.

Not sure what I'm looking for here apart from other people's opinions - has anything like this ever happened to you? If this had been a small child they would have been seriously injured. Similarly if I was pregnant this wouldn't have been good. Nothing against mobility scooters previously although a lot more wary now 😂

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Pericombobulations · 05/10/2023 15:21

Does NOT turn on the spot :(

Oioicaptain · 05/10/2023 15:23

Scampuss · Today 12:53

Was there a person using the mobility scooter?

Your post reads as if the mobility scooter did this all by itself.
😂well I did gender the mobility scooter.

How very presumptuous of you! Did you not ask what it identified as first?

Badbadbunny · 05/10/2023 15:25

UtterlyUnimaginativeUsername · 05/10/2023 13:04

In fairness, I think that applies to the whole population, so it's not exactly offensive to say that it applies to mobility scooter users!

The difference is that everyone else has to pass a driving test to drive a vehicle which requires a pretty high level of capability, and there's always the sanction of having it taken away if they become incapable etc. Mobility scooter drivers have no such test and there is no mechanism to ban them,

Riverlee · 05/10/2023 15:27

No one is against mobility scooters. They’re against irresponsible driving of said scooters.

XenoBitch · 05/10/2023 15:30

Tryingmybestadhd · 05/10/2023 15:18

Call the police and do a formal complaint , try to find this person and if you have any issues you should sue them for injuring you . Personally I don’t think they should be allowed in places where only pedestrians go as they are a safety hazard . A few years ago a boy where we lived got seriously injured in a similar incident , the stupid woman didn’t even stop to ask if he was ok . As a result the local shopping centre refused entry to any mobility scooters since

I find that hard to believe tbh. You can't impose a blanket ban on the use of a mobility aid.

Agapornis · 05/10/2023 15:33

The Highway Code applies to mobility scooters. Just because she's an older lady and it was an accident doesn't mean she's not responsible. FWIW I know of at least one European country where you don't need a licence or number plate, but you do need third party insurance - and display your proof of insurance with a sticker which looks like a mini number plate.

Rule 38 - You should give pedestrians priority and show consideration for other pavement users
Rule 39 - Powered wheelchairs and scooters MUST NOT travel faster than 4 mph (6 km/h) on pavements or in pedestrian areas.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/rules-for-users-of-powered-wheelchairs-and-mobility-scooters-36-to-46

The Highway Code - Rules for users of powered wheelchairs and mobility scooters (36 to 46) - Guidance - GOV.UK

Rules for powered wheelchairs and mobility scooters, including on pavements and on the road.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/rules-for-users-of-powered-wheelchairs-and-mobility-scooters-36-to-46

Tryingmybestadhd · 05/10/2023 15:34

XenoBitch · 05/10/2023 15:30

I find that hard to believe tbh. You can't impose a blanket ban on the use of a mobility aid.

It was in 2004 , nit possible today unfortunately

BlueYonder57 · 05/10/2023 15:34

@PericombobulationsAnother mobility scooter driver here and totally agree that the minute you get in one become invisible to others.

In my experience, I became entirely invisible to everyone the minute I became disabled. I didn't need the mobility scooter to complete the transformation. I can walk short distances with a rollator. I am pushed in front of, ignored, have doors slammed in my face, people walk straight across me.... I have never yet hit anything or anyone in my mobility scooter, but I have, from time to time, been tempted to make some modifications....

A mobility scooter crashed into me
BlueYonder57 · 05/10/2023 15:37

Tryingmybestadhd · 05/10/2023 15:34

It was in 2004 , nit possible today unfortunately

It was also not possible in 2004. It would have been against the law, as it still is.

Pericombobulations · 05/10/2023 15:41

BlueYonder57 · 05/10/2023 15:34

@PericombobulationsAnother mobility scooter driver here and totally agree that the minute you get in one become invisible to others.

In my experience, I became entirely invisible to everyone the minute I became disabled. I didn't need the mobility scooter to complete the transformation. I can walk short distances with a rollator. I am pushed in front of, ignored, have doors slammed in my face, people walk straight across me.... I have never yet hit anything or anyone in my mobility scooter, but I have, from time to time, been tempted to make some modifications....

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Lol! I had one woman stop immediately in front of me to chat to her friend. Whilst I managed to stop and drive around her, I still accidentally hit her bag. I then received lots of abuse from her for not completely avoiding her despite her stopping in front of me.

I do despair but like your thinking of modifications. Very tempting.

TheLongGloriesOfTheWinterMoon · 05/10/2023 15:43

RedAndWhiteCarnations · 05/10/2023 14:19

Seeing the comments on this thread, I hope posters will not need a mobility device any time soon Btw.
Many if you will be in for a massive surprise

There's no need.
Are you saying that people with mobility scooters have the right to injure other people just because they have one?

BlueYonder57 · 05/10/2023 15:44

Badbadbunny · 05/10/2023 15:25

The difference is that everyone else has to pass a driving test to drive a vehicle which requires a pretty high level of capability, and there's always the sanction of having it taken away if they become incapable etc. Mobility scooter drivers have no such test and there is no mechanism to ban them,

Some mobility scooter drivers may have not passed a test. Like many mobility scooter drivers I already have a driving licence, passed my test 40+ years ago and have never had an at fault accident or motoring infringement. Mobility scooters are actually very simple. Backward, forward, and turn... brakes automatically the minute you take your hands off. There's a reason they are called "scooters" - they are no more complicated that most scooters or bikes, travel slower than either of those, and neither of those brake automatically.

And I am now on my 3rd mobility scooter and the sellers trained on all occasions (there isn't much to learn though). If you go on the road you are required to inform DVLC, and insurance is recommended to all users.

TaaLaa · 05/10/2023 15:46

My mum borrowed one from a friend for a few months to see how she got on with it. It was the same one that a pp has posted a screen shot of.

It was immaculate when she got it and sadly not immaculate when returned.

I recall our last shopping trip. We went into a small shop and she knocked over a couple of racks / baskets at the end of the aisles (the sort with reduced price stuff in them) and sent the contents flying. Also she went too fast for a busy shop. I can now see how tricky they are to manoeuvre in small spaces. We'd previously only been in large shops.

To cap it all, on the way back to the car she side swiped a concrete bollard and scuffed all down the side of it.

Went into the garage after that. Phew.

Bimbimmer · 05/10/2023 15:52

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A mobility scooter crashed into me
RedAndWhiteCarnations · 05/10/2023 16:07

Pericombobulations · 05/10/2023 15:41

Lol! I had one woman stop immediately in front of me to chat to her friend. Whilst I managed to stop and drive around her, I still accidentally hit her bag. I then received lots of abuse from her for not completely avoiding her despite her stopping in front of me.

I do despair but like your thinking of modifications. Very tempting.

What would have happened if an able person, walking, had stopped right in their track today speak to a friend? How is that different from the mobility scooter stopping?

RedAndWhiteCarnations · 05/10/2023 16:11

Agapornis · 05/10/2023 15:33

The Highway Code applies to mobility scooters. Just because she's an older lady and it was an accident doesn't mean she's not responsible. FWIW I know of at least one European country where you don't need a licence or number plate, but you do need third party insurance - and display your proof of insurance with a sticker which looks like a mini number plate.

Rule 38 - You should give pedestrians priority and show consideration for other pavement users
Rule 39 - Powered wheelchairs and scooters MUST NOT travel faster than 4 mph (6 km/h) on pavements or in pedestrian areas.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/rules-for-users-of-powered-wheelchairs-and-mobility-scooters-36-to-46

That’s why no scooter or EW can go faster than 4mph when they are sold. Which basically mean that it’s i possible fir them to go over ‘the speed limit’.

Unless they are the type if scooters you can use on the road (15mph) but they are so big you can’t take them in a shop.

Re taking care if pedestrians.. well yes ofc. Like any able person walking on a pavement. And it should work both ways - it’s be nice not to be invisible to people who walking.

Tryingmybestadhd · 05/10/2023 16:11

BlueYonder57 · 05/10/2023 15:37

It was also not possible in 2004. It would have been against the law, as it still is.

It happened , all shops refused to let mobility scooters in for a while . Not wheelchairs obviously but mobility scooter .

BMW6 · 05/10/2023 16:29

RedAndWhiteCarnations · 05/10/2023 16:07

What would have happened if an able person, walking, had stopped right in their track today speak to a friend? How is that different from the mobility scooter stopping?

I wanted to ask this as well. People stop in front of other pedestrians all the time, but unless we are walking too close to them we don't collide!

Anyone using a vehicle is obliged to give way to pedestrians when not on roads and the onus is on the driver to not injure pedestrians!

RedAndWhiteCarnations · 05/10/2023 16:38

SM4713 · 05/10/2023 14:25

I would hope if any of us need one in the future, we'd have the common sense you get shown how to use the thing, practice using it, getting between tight spaces etc before being let loose! You don't have an air horn do you? 🤔

Actually I have a horn on my EW. Maybe I should start using it when people act as if I’m not there. Thanks for the idea 😁😁

we'd have the common sense you get shown how to use the thing, practice using it, getting between tight spaces etc before being let loose!

(Sorry it’s long….)

So the first thing to say is that it’s likely that no one will tell you how to use the scooter (apart from basic use like folding it etc…)

Even if you go and see a specialist in a mobility centre, my experience is that you are likely to come out with crap advice.
Eg I was told a mobility scooter would fit my needs. It wouldn’t.

To learn to use a scooter, you have to use it. That means putting yourself in the situation the OP describes.

Learning to move around tight places is all well and good but if shop owners don’t allow enough space fir mobility devices, you can be as good as you want, there will be accidents. My experience is that cafes and restaurants are atrocious for that. Just enough place to go through as a walking adult. Certainly not if you are in a wheelchair or scooter.

Last but not least, when I bought my EW, I had the choice if going for either a scooter or an EW. I went fur the EW after being pushed around by DH and dcs and becoming acutely aware of little space shops leave for wheelchairs. In a few shops for example, we ended up having to reverse in a tight passage because there was not enough space to turn with a wheelchair at the end if it.
Despite all the talk for accessibility, a lot if places aren’t and that’s not the fault of scooters or wheelchair users if then it causes problem (such as catching a table, things falling over etc…)
It means I decided to go for the EW because of it’s manoeuvrability vs the scooter (and yes it is true that they are crap for that)

The problem is…..
A scooter costs £500~800, my wheelchair costs £2200.
There us no funding from SS/NHS so people have to self fund. Even people like me who have been given a wheelchair (so need is accepted) and can’t actually move the wheelchair themselves.
Im lucky that I had some savings. DH has a good job. We can afford it. Your 70yo person on a state pension won’t.
If I hadn’t been so privileged, I’d have bought the scooter. With all its manoeuvrability issues. Because I had no choice. It would have been that or being housebound.

All that to say that issue with scooters can not be reduced to ‘people who dint know how to use scooters and are reckless’.
It can be reduced to ‘well if they are so hard to use indoors, they shouldn’t be allowed in shops’
The incident described is a combination of many issues, and about half if which the driver had no control about.
Unless of ourselves you are advocating that people with mobility issues aren’t welcome in shops or cafes unless in a wheelchair - in which case you are also happy to stop many people from accessing those places.

Pericombobulations · 05/10/2023 16:41

I was in the scooter and the able body person stopped immediately in front of me. I was able to stop and not hit her.

The problem is that going around her due to people all around me. I couldn't reverse without hitting other people and couldn't turn enough to avoid her bag which stuck out.

Should I have just stayed there whilst getting in the way for other people going about their business but my life didn't matter because I'm disabled and should have waited until they finished and moved.

Being disabled makes life hard as it is and a lot of you want to make life even harder for us.

Mrsjayy · 05/10/2023 19:10

I've had a few people fall over me my scooter they apparently didn't "see me" one woman accused me of running into her child i was stationary by a picnic bench they just weren't watching where they were going ! I can't believe this thread is allowed 😳

Badbadbunny · 05/10/2023 19:11

Pericombobulations · 05/10/2023 15:41

Lol! I had one woman stop immediately in front of me to chat to her friend. Whilst I managed to stop and drive around her, I still accidentally hit her bag. I then received lots of abuse from her for not completely avoiding her despite her stopping in front of me.

I do despair but like your thinking of modifications. Very tempting.

Well you clearly were driving too close to her then, weren't you? People randomly stopping in front is entirely foreseeable and you should have anticipated it, allowed more stopping distance etc (just like car drivers have to do!). If you'd nearly crashed into me, I'd have given you an ear bashing too!

Mrsjayy · 05/10/2023 19:14

BMW6 · 05/10/2023 16:29

I wanted to ask this as well. People stop in front of other pedestrians all the time, but unless we are walking too close to them we don't collide!

Anyone using a vehicle is obliged to give way to pedestrians when not on roads and the onus is on the driver to not injure pedestrians!

Can you really not work out how this can happen It's surely just physics .

Spicytunasarnie · 05/10/2023 19:24

One of them ran into my son’s bassinet purposely in a very narrow footpath shouting “EXCUSE ME”. I had hold onto the pram very tight to stop and make a very fast turn to dodge the impact. We were next to a busy road. DH had to stop my postpartum self from going ballistic on him.

ChristmasKraken · 05/10/2023 20:09

Mrsjayy · 05/10/2023 19:10

I've had a few people fall over me my scooter they apparently didn't "see me" one woman accused me of running into her child i was stationary by a picnic bench they just weren't watching where they were going ! I can't believe this thread is allowed 😳

But that isn't what happened here, not what anyone has described happening to them. So why would it "not be allowed"?

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