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How Many of These Books Have you Read?

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JaneyGee · 04/10/2023 13:49

I belong to an amazing book group. The members are great – no one shows off, or disagrees just for the sake of it, or tries to impress you with what they know. They all come just for the love of books. Anyway, one of the members is a retired university lecturer. She's published several books and can talk for hours on Chaucer, Milton, Blake, Keats, etc. We're all in awe of her (though she's very humble and sweet). Anyway, I asked her what she thought were the best novels in the English language. She emailed me her list (roughly in chronological order). Here they are. (I'm ashamed to admit I've only read three of them.)

Henry Fielding: Tom Jones
Jonathan Swift: Gullivers Travels
Jane Austen: Persuasion
Dickens: Bleak House
Thackery: Vanity Fair
Charlotte Bronte: Jane Eyre
George Eliot: Middlemarch
Hermann Melville: Moby Dick
Henry James: Portrait of a Lady
Joseph Conrad: Nostromo
Kipling: Kim
Thomas Hardy: Jude the Obscure
James Joyce: Ulysses
D. H. Lawrence: Women in Love
Scott Fitzgerald: The Great Gatsby
Ford Madox Ford: Parade's End
Henry Green: Partygoing
Nabokov: Pale Fire
Nabokov: Lolita
Evelyn Waugh: Scoop
Aldous Huxley: Point Counter Point
Virginia Woolf: To the Lighthouse
Anthony Powell: Dance to the Music of Time (considered as one novel)
Saul Bellow: Augie March
John Updike: The Rabbit novels (considered as one novel)
Cormac McCarthy: Blood Meridian

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Bruisername · 05/10/2023 10:29

With the older books it’s all about interpretation and what we can learn. Unfortunately women’s voices haven’t been recorded to the same extent but within the men’s voices we can see how they lived and were treated.

RichardArmitagesWife · 05/10/2023 10:42

@callmej - I loved Vanity Fair, it was funny!

I hated Great Expectations when I had to study it in school. When I reread it as an adult I thoroughly enjoyed it.

Firsttimecaller · 05/10/2023 10:43

24 English degree, bookseller & librarian. And not all of them are great or even good. Most of them I had read to study not to enjoy.

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CurlewKate · 05/10/2023 11:15

I like Vanity Fair too.

BarnacleBeasley · 05/10/2023 11:22

I quite liked Vanity Fair but I don't think I'd read it again.

DiDonk · 05/10/2023 11:25

CurlewKate · 05/10/2023 09:23

It's funny about Middlemarch. It really is a love it or hate it book.

Absolutely, I did it at A-levels and hated it, then have read it at least four times since!

Tessisme · 05/10/2023 11:36

I have read 6 of those. But I have read different books by some of the other authors. There are loads I would add (and a couple I would remove), but I wouldn't necessarily expect other people to agree with my choices.

MarkWithaC · 05/10/2023 11:42

I've read twelve of the current Columbia list properly, although I also know/have studied bits of the New Testament, Genesis, Aristophanes etc.

It seems like a good grounding in the origins of literature/drama/essays and their wider context. Glad to see Sappho in there, and Toni Morrison. And The Translator of Desires; I don't know it, but it seems they've broadened their geographical context

Ylvamoon · 05/10/2023 12:47

Bruisername · 05/10/2023 10:29

With the older books it’s all about interpretation and what we can learn. Unfortunately women’s voices haven’t been recorded to the same extent but within the men’s voices we can see how they lived and were treated.

But that's exactly it! People read for very different reasons. People don't always want to interpret or hear voices from the past. Or be mindful of the meaning of a word 100 years ago- as that would slightly alter the story! Sometimes it's just about enjoying a good plot or a well written narrative without any further information needed to understand it. There shouldn't be any snobbery about the books one reads, there are some books I think everyone should read - Sophie's World by J. Gaarder, as an non English author or books by Tracy Chevalier as an English author.

Bruisername · 05/10/2023 13:03

That wasn’t the point I was trying to make. I was more making the point that just because something is old and written by a man doesn’t mean you can’t get more out of a book and that lists will be skewed to men in the past so the list would also be skewed.

agree that reading is totally subjective - which is why the purpose of a list should be clear

theduchessofspork · 05/10/2023 13:06

15

I do read a fair bit though

Slightly gobsmacked by Dance to the Music of Time being on there

theduchessofspork · 05/10/2023 13:12

clary · 04/10/2023 14:02

I’ve read nine but apart from Austen and Fitzgerald that’s a very dull list.

No-one reads Moby-Dick or Ulysses these days. Honestly. And <looks hard> I cannot see anything from the 21st C and very little from the latter part of the 20th.

Where are Donna Tartt, Margaret Atwood, Bernadine Evaristo, Ann Tyler? Lots of DWM, huh.

People do read Moby Dick and Ullysses!

But anyway the list someone’s personal list, it’s not definitive, despite the defensiveness it’s provoking..

Squiblet · 05/10/2023 13:15

I love the Columbia list! I've read them all except Arcadia, Crime and Punishment, the Confessions and the Peloponnesus.

Arcadia is so great! And invitingly short compared to most of the doorstoppers on these lists. But it's worth seeing it on stage if you can, and then reading it after to catch all the stuff you (I) missed

WoollyBat · 05/10/2023 13:23

am I the only person who would go for Mrs Dalloway overTo The Lighthouse?!

Agree with you. To me To The Lighthouse is more like a short story, and Mrs Dalloway is a more grand exploration of stream of consciousness and how you can use it. And more interesting to read.

I also really love Gawain and the Green Knight but is it a novel? In that case can we have Beowulf?

AtlasOfBirds · 05/10/2023 14:41

I understand your point about box-ticking, but we should remember that box-ticking from previous eras (ie. Only basically DWM novels were worth reading and adding to the pantheon) meant ideas about what made “Good Fiction” became embedded around a very particular framework.

For instance, I think Cormac McC is a dreadful writer, but it’s seen as a cultural truth that his hyper-focus on masculinity and all its violence and sorrows is brilliant and incisive, and his writing sharp and wise. I think he’s a pub bore who wouldn’t notice the women actually keeping the world functioning if his life depended on it, so his writing always seems very two-dimensional to me. Same, to a slightly lesser extent, with John Updike.

It’s not box-ticking to notice the gaps, and even Bloom would, if you forced him to read the works name-blind and made him care about the female half of the population, admit that Rebecca West, Dodie Smith, Hilary Mantel, Rosamund Lehmann, Barbara Pym, Elizabeth Jane Howard, Sylvia Plath, Barbara Comyns, Anne Tyler, Octavia Butler, Patricia Highsmith, Meg Wolitzer, Daphne du Maurier and Sylvia Townsend Warner write with staggering intelligence, wit, observation, truth, subtlety, and beauty.

I love a lot of books on your friend’s list, but to defend them with Harold Bloom’s very one-note view of the world only limits the possibility of discoveries you may make beyond those classic “Great Fiction” lists.

AtlasOfBirds · 05/10/2023 14:47

@Lamelie But I suppose what is Western Literature, or what do we want to express when we talk about that? There are so many brilliant male writers that capture the ideas and concepts that were shaping the books and discussions of subsequent writers and thinkers, but (and I don’t think this is what you were saying, but it’s what I’m trying and failing to express) those female writers who never appear on these lists were also capturing truths about the lives of women and children at those times, and it’s somehow seen as unimportant because “childcare” is (still?) seen as a woman’s hobby, rather than an important influential cultural matter.

But those books containing small affairs, nursery routines, the finding and providing of sustenance, I find them absolutely fascinating because that’s what most of us are still dealing with day to day, and I love that sense of shared humanity connecting across the centuries. What is literature for if we have to reduce it to only those things a tiny group were allowed to participate in (public thinking), and not the ideas that cross time and continents (love, grief, children, illness and disability, feeding and housing)?

teaandtoastwithmarmite · 05/10/2023 15:24
  1. I hate Jane Austen though. The one I've read is the great gatsby
MrsAvocet · 05/10/2023 15:52

DiDonk · 05/10/2023 11:25

Absolutely, I did it at A-levels and hated it, then have read it at least four times since!

Do you think that is a result of having to study it rather than just read it at school? I think a lot of people dislike the books they studied at school, partly because there is often no choice about them but also because you can't really get into the flow of the book when you are continually analysing. I think it's probably more true at GCSE because a large number of pupils don't want to be studying literature at all, but it can still happen if you've chosen to study the subject. My DD did a degree in Dance. She has loved it since she was a preschooler - doing it, watching it, reading about it - but she didn't go to watch any performances for a couple of years after she graduated. Watching and analysing the choreography and technique had become an academic task for her to the point that she could no longer enjoy the art. I wonder if the same happens with literature?

JuvenileEmu · 05/10/2023 17:01

JaneyGee · 04/10/2023 15:26

Funny, I read Kim last year and loved it. Such an underrated novel. All lists are subjective, of course, and I'm often surprised by other people's tastes. I hate Philip Roth, for example. I also struggled with Wolf Hall. On the other hand, I revere P. G. Wodehouse and couldn't believe it when John Cleese (who I also love) said he didn't like him.

As for her list, these are the best novels written in English (hence no Tolstoy or Proust or Kafka). She dashed the list off pretty quick (probably to keep me quiet!) so no doubt there are many she's forgotten. I find it bizarre that people describe the list as dull, however. There is this weird idea that the further back in time you go, the duller the art or literature becomes. C. S. Lewis called it "chronological snobbery."

In fact, no one today writes with the joy and energy of Chaucer or Blake or Dickens. Read the general prologue to The Canterbury Tales, for example. There is nothing like it.

Interesting you write about valuing the joy and energy of Chaucer and Blake (I agree btw, if there was one person from history I could travel in time and meet I think it would be Chaucer!), because I think a lot of the books on the list are severely lacking in joy and energy. Craft over joy and energy.

EliosBackPack · 05/10/2023 17:33

17 and EngLit degree. Didn’t count Ulysses, tried and tried, have now given up. Read 17, that’s not to say I really enjoyed them all.

SoupDragon · 05/10/2023 17:39

just 1, The Great Gatsby. I've read others by some of the authors mentioned but not the specific books on the list (and only as part of English Lit O and A levels!)

avocadotofu · 05/10/2023 17:45

I've read 9 of them. I did enjoy most of them, I had a lot more time to read before having DS.

DiDonk · 05/10/2023 17:57

MrsAvocet · 05/10/2023 15:52

Do you think that is a result of having to study it rather than just read it at school? I think a lot of people dislike the books they studied at school, partly because there is often no choice about them but also because you can't really get into the flow of the book when you are continually analysing. I think it's probably more true at GCSE because a large number of pupils don't want to be studying literature at all, but it can still happen if you've chosen to study the subject. My DD did a degree in Dance. She has loved it since she was a preschooler - doing it, watching it, reading about it - but she didn't go to watch any performances for a couple of years after she graduated. Watching and analysing the choreography and technique had become an academic task for her to the point that she could no longer enjoy the art. I wonder if the same happens with literature?

Yes I do think studying can suck the life out of something, especially at school, even if it gives you ways of understanding it at the same time.

But also I think I just wasn't ready to read it - you see things in very black and white terms as a teen and the characters in Middlemarch are more complex than that. I had the same thing with Anna Karenin which I read about the same time, I can reread it endlessly now but I really had to force myself through it then.

Although I also think it's true that if you don't burn through a load of penguin classics when you're a teen you'll never read them as an adult (yes Thomas Hardy and the Brontes I'm looking at you!)

ketchup07070 · 05/10/2023 19:56

Mary Wollstonecraft - 'A Vindication of the rights of women'
Mary Shelley 'Frankenstein'
Aphra Ben 'Oroonoko'

Just adding some older women writers who I think should be on a list!

SammyScrounge · 22/10/2023 11:40

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