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Just been accused of being a person of interest in a malicious communications offence that happened years ago

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justbeenaccused · 30/09/2023 12:39

I received a letter from the police summoning me to the station of a voluntary interview. I am a person of interest in a malicious comms case that occured in 2019.

Does this mean I am a suspect, or a witness etc.?
How can I find out who reported me ?

OP posts:
Raisinnola · 30/09/2023 13:28

Having grounds for arrest and necessity for arrest are two different things. They will have the grounds as they are inviting her in voluntarily, the police can’t interview anyone under caution without having the grounds to do so.
Given that the offence is 4 years old that effectively removes the necessity for arrest to interview hence then asking OP to attend voluntarily. If she refuses to do so then that gives them the necessity to arrest.

Also for the poster advising to no comment everything, to make no comment is to anticipate a guilty plea so not great advice unless you’ve committed the offence they’re talking about.
My advice would be to attend with a solicitor (ask for the duty if you don’t have one) the police will then give your solicitor disclosure re the offence and you can decide what account (if any) to give from there.

Hanlonsamazer · 30/09/2023 13:28

Also worth noting that if they arrest you, they have pretty much carte Blanche to search your house and seize all electronics within.

Mal Comms is an arrestable offence and the police do what’s easy, not what’s right… grounds to arrest - some sort of belief that you committed an offence.

Given the option, voluntary interview is WAY better, it also doesn’t mean you need a visa or whatever to visit the states. Being arrested does.

Thoughts and prayers OP, do not trust the police to do the right thing. They want you to incriminate yourself.

Lampzade · 30/09/2023 13:29

Op, you need to go and get for legal advice.
They will be able to advise you of what to do next

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justbeenaccused · 30/09/2023 13:29

Lampzade · 30/09/2023 13:29

Op, you need to go and get for legal advice.
They will be able to advise you of what to do next

got myself a solicitor already

OP posts:
SpiderMaam · 30/09/2023 13:31

Lampzade · 30/09/2023 13:00

Op,
I don’t understand why you can’t remember.
Have you ever posted controversial things or sent emails/ messages to anyone.?
Can you look back at your emails: messages.etc?

‘Men can’t become women’ was a controversial tweet in 2019.

Yet most people would think it utterly unremarkable.

Worddance · 30/09/2023 13:32

I wouldn't go. They're unlikely to bother to arrest you.

AllMyExesWearRolexes · 30/09/2023 13:33

@KandieKaine
They don't need a Warrant. Section 17 of PACE gives power of entry to search for a person who is liable to arrest.

SurpriseItsMeHorseyNeighNeigh · 30/09/2023 13:34

justbeenaccused · 30/09/2023 13:04

wouldnt an arrest make me look uncooperative?

You don't have to look cooperative. The only way to look cooperative is to sit down and admit to it, whether you did it or not. And that would be intensively dumb.

You either did commit the offense, they have evidence and then though luck. You do the crime, you do the time. It's a good thing that kind of behaviour is taken seriously, when there is evidence.

If they don't have evidence and what are they gonna do?

Take a few breaths and chill. Get legal representation and go there to see what they have. Don't volunteer any information.

WrylyAmused · 30/09/2023 13:34

This is definitely the kind of situation where it's better safe (as possible) than sorry.

Take a legal representative (preferably your own if you can afford it, not the duty solicitor).

"No comment" to everything.

DO NOT admit anything, and DO NOT accept a caution/PCN if offered unless:
your solicitor advises it
AND
you are sure of all of these:

  • that you did it,
  • that they have compelling evidence that you did it,
  • that it's important enough that the CPS will actually follow through on prosecuting (they very often don't, even with evidence).

A caution/PCN depends on you accepting and admitting guilt, which they often won't make clear, so be very careful around that.

Always ask for the full implications of anything they suggest, especially in terms of resolutions to the issue.

Hope it goes well.

SquirrelFeeder · 30/09/2023 13:35

Good luck Gin

Tilllly · 30/09/2023 13:36

itwasdifferentinthe90s · 30/09/2023 13:22

@Tilllly why are you giving such terrible advice ?

I honestly didn't think I was!

KandieKaine · 30/09/2023 13:36

AllMyExesWearRolexes · 30/09/2023 13:33

@KandieKaine
They don't need a Warrant. Section 17 of PACE gives power of entry to search for a person who is liable to arrest.

Is this new ? I always thought they could not enter your home without a warrant unless you let them in voluntarily

TheresaOfAvila · 30/09/2023 13:37

Tilllly · 30/09/2023 12:48

Just tell the truth then

If it was on SM, they will have screen shots

The onus is on them to prove your guilt, not on you to prove innocence

This is appalling advice.
You should expect to no comment every question. And preface the interview with a cheery “Guys I’m going to be No-Commenting this, on legal advice”

FabFitFifties · 30/09/2023 13:38

What do you mean you don't remember? Unless you post /send malicious communications as a norm, surely you can say with certainty that you didn't?

StowOnTheWold · 30/09/2023 13:39

justbeenaccused · 30/09/2023 13:02

This is only being brought up now bc I accused my cousin of sexual abuse against me and his family have been telling mine that they will report me for something to get back at me as revenge. Shall I tell the police this ?

I get asked to assist the police and courts in financial crime. A person of interest does not have a narrow legal definition. This means the interest could be in the capacity of a suspect, associate, related party, witness or someone who holds crucial information.

The fact you are on here like a 'rabbit in the headlights' suggests you are not a suspect and more likely to be someone who - knowingly or otherwise - may hold information.

Tell the police everything, but do not push information. You will always be asked normally at the end if you have anything to add. That is where you can mention your cousin.

SpiderMaam · 30/09/2023 13:39

SurpriseItsMeHorseyNeighNeigh · 30/09/2023 13:34

You don't have to look cooperative. The only way to look cooperative is to sit down and admit to it, whether you did it or not. And that would be intensively dumb.

You either did commit the offense, they have evidence and then though luck. You do the crime, you do the time. It's a good thing that kind of behaviour is taken seriously, when there is evidence.

If they don't have evidence and what are they gonna do?

Take a few breaths and chill. Get legal representation and go there to see what they have. Don't volunteer any information.

but even if the police have ‘evidence’, it doesn’t mean the CPS will want to take it forward and it certainly doesn’t mean a magistrate would agree that the evidence presented meets a threshold for a guilty verdict.

There won’t be any prison ‘time’ to serve for feminist tweets!

VisaWoes · 30/09/2023 13:40

I wouldn’t admit to anything. Take a solicitor and do a “no comment” interview the whole way through

Tilllly · 30/09/2023 13:40

There's a lot of conflicting advice here OP, I'm glad you've got a solicitor - follow their recommendations
Good luck

WeightoftheWorld · 30/09/2023 13:40

I wouldn't go. If you're a suspect, if they have enough evidence they should arrest you. If you're a suspect and they don't have enough evidence then they're inviting you to interview hoping you will do their work for them and incriminate yourself.

There is no way on earth I'd ever go to a voluntary police interview.

sofasunday · 30/09/2023 13:41

I’ve never been involved with the police so could be stabbing at the dark, but I think they can arrest you during or after a voluntary interview. So you avoiding it may lead to arrest, but you attending it may lead to arrest too. So it’s not about being uncooperative, it’s about protecting yourself

Hanlonsamazer · 30/09/2023 13:42

TheresaOfAvila · 30/09/2023 13:37

This is appalling advice.
You should expect to no comment every question. And preface the interview with a cheery “Guys I’m going to be No-Commenting this, on legal advice”

Agree. Especially for a social media offence. Hard for them to prove, screenshots are dodgy for admissibility. Even if they can prove ann account is yours, they probably can’t prove you sent a message.

No comment means they have to do all the legwork and probably can’t or won’t. Police are not digital experts (believe me, I nearly died of second hand embarrassment when I saw one in court last week try to explain something from a phone download).

YOU DO NOT HAVE TO GIVE THEM THE PASSWORD TO YOUR DEVICES.

They will tell you that you’re breaking the law but this is only ever invoked in serious cases of national security where the perpetrator will take the sentence for the password rather than be tried for terrorism.

No comment. No comment. No comment. It is difficult but way better in the long term. And it’s bullshit that this is linked to anticipated guilty plea.

SpiderMaam · 30/09/2023 13:42

WrylyAmused · 30/09/2023 13:34

This is definitely the kind of situation where it's better safe (as possible) than sorry.

Take a legal representative (preferably your own if you can afford it, not the duty solicitor).

"No comment" to everything.

DO NOT admit anything, and DO NOT accept a caution/PCN if offered unless:
your solicitor advises it
AND
you are sure of all of these:

  • that you did it,
  • that they have compelling evidence that you did it,
  • that it's important enough that the CPS will actually follow through on prosecuting (they very often don't, even with evidence).

A caution/PCN depends on you accepting and admitting guilt, which they often won't make clear, so be very careful around that.

Always ask for the full implications of anything they suggest, especially in terms of resolutions to the issue.

Hope it goes well.

This is good advice.

RudsyFarmer · 30/09/2023 13:42

Also I wouldn’t be handing over your phone. I don’t know the law on this and whether they can take it. Does anyone know?

SurpriseItsMeHorseyNeighNeigh · 30/09/2023 13:42

Worddance · 30/09/2023 13:32

I wouldn't go. They're unlikely to bother to arrest you.

Yes, it's a well known fact... If you just ignore the police, things go away magically....

And I wonder if the "no comment" crew are lawyers or have ever been involved with the police.

Seriously, OP, unless you don't mind being arrested publicly, ignore the advice on here. Get a legal representation and go voluntarily unless they advise against it for whatever reason.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 30/09/2023 13:43

FabFitFifties · 30/09/2023 13:38

What do you mean you don't remember? Unless you post /send malicious communications as a norm, surely you can say with certainty that you didn't?

That hinges rather a lot on how 'malicious' is being defined by the police, doesn't it?