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Choosing a school when Ex is so against one option? (Year 5 entry) WWYD?

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MiddleSchoolChoices · 28/09/2023 20:12

DD is currently in Year 4 at a First School and due to go to Middle School in September 2024.

She is currently at a very lovely 3 form entry school but it’s cofe which my ExH is against. As in he opposes all religion as do his family. I was brought up cofe but no longer practice or attend church.

She went to this school as it’s our catchment school (I’m RP, he has visitation for 2 nights EOWend) we were going through courts during the application process and the judge asked me to put at least 1 none dom school as number 2 or 3 on the form (which I did) but was happy for me to put the others down as cofe and she got my first preference which was catchment. There is only 1 none dom First School reachable from my house, the others are all either cofe or catholic, we had no chance of getting the non dom because we live over 3 miles from it and it’s catchment only covers 1.1m at a push some years it’s as small as 0.8m.

ExH has had nothing to do with school since, refuses to go to Parents Evenings, or even speak to DDs teacher on the phone. The few times school have rung him he’s told them that school is my problem unless they think residency should switch and therefore her school should. He won’t even pick her up from school on his Friday, I have to pick her up from school get her changed and take her to him, the few times I’ve asked him to get her from school due to me working he’s told me he’ll have her later so I can pick her up from After School Club.

He’s also told DD that her teachers are god botherers and trying to force her to believe the same as them. It’s also caused issues as DD wanted to join the choir and has to get special permission to never attend weekend church services if they fell on ExHs weekend. It was annoying but we worked round it but DD did feel very left out and eventually left because it always seemed to land with the services on ExHs weekend with her (the main ones are Harvest, Christmas, Easter and Mother’s Day – she did MD because it always is my day with her but missed the others).

For context only the headteacher is Christian and she is fine with none religious or children of other religions, the schools not overly Christian day to day they do worship once a week with singing/hymns for the whole school and then Years 2, 3 and 4 go to Church once per half term which parents can opt out of for any reason (DD has a slight mobility issue so she stays at school for those as the Church is just under a mile from the school) but that’s about it bar there being ce in the name “School name CE First School” and there being a cross in the reception area as you walk into school.

We’re now looking at Middle Schools for next year.

The catchment Middle School is cofe and our current school is a feeder school. Most of her classmates will go to this school. DD loved it when we looked round, kept saying she wanted to go to it and talking about which friends she wanted in her class.

ExH walked round with a face like a slapped bum. He didn’t say a word, and once we were outside said “well it’s an option at least”.

It's smiliar to our current school in terms of how religious it is except the children go to church 2-3 times per half term but I'm assured by current school that it's again optional to send them and I would opt DD out of it.

We went to the two non dom Middle Schools and ExH loved them both kept saying there were amazing and he could imagine DD there. DD preferred one over the other. We hadn’t checked out the cofe school until last but DD kept saying she wanted to see the cofe school before she decided which from her face I think she much preferred the cofe to any of the others. She’s spoken to some of the girls at her Brownies who go to all 3 schools and she still much prefers the sound of the cofe when you talk to her.

ExH is insisting she goes to one of the non doms, keeps trying to big it up to her saying he’ll be able to pick her up and see her more. I know full well if she goes to catchment school he’ll be the same as he is with her current school.

He lives within walking distance of all 3 - we're walking distance from the cofe but a car journey from the other 2 (which sounds odd but they're 0.8m from catchment school then 1.3m and 1.5m from the others and due to DDs mobibility issue she can't walk more than a mile). She hasn’t outright said she wants the catchment school, but she lights up when you mention it compared to the others. But I know he’d still expect me to pick her up from the cofe school and get her changed whereas he'd be fine with her walking from either of the others to his (he's 0.1m from cofe, 0.5m and 0.8m from the others)

For further context as well as the mobility issue DD has in the past refused to go to school, she had counselling from school (not connected to the church or religion in anyway) and she basically said she didn’t like school because her dad doesn’t like it. So I’m aware wherever she goes I need to be able to get her there.

In all previous years to date we’d have got whichever school we put first. I am not religious as I said, I’m not bothered about her going to a school that is though. She will be fine wherever she goes but I think she’d be happier with a friendly face or thirty.

So I think my options are:

  1. Put the non dom she liked as place 1 to keep ExH happy Or
  2. Put the CofE as place 1 and tell ExH it was 2 or 3 but that was where we got and hope he doesn’t check figures

Telling ExH that’s where she’s going won’t work.

So WWYD? 1 or 2?

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cansu · 28/09/2023 20:54

Tell him that as RP who has all the week days and the person who does all the pick ups and drop offs, you have put come first for practical reasons plus all her friends are going there. Put the other one second. Leave him to sulk.

cansu · 28/09/2023 20:55

Why won't it work? What can he do legally? If necessary go back to the court about it.

MiddleSchoolChoices · 28/09/2023 20:57

cansu · 28/09/2023 20:55

Why won't it work? What can he do legally? If necessary go back to the court about it.

@cansu I have a feeling if it goes back to court he'd go for 50/50 and therefore want the non dom school especially as I'm not religious either.

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CakeIsNotAvailable · 28/09/2023 21:17

You might be as well posting on the Legal board for advice. You will probably get lots of confident-sounding but wrong advice on here. In England at least, school choice is one of a handful of issues on which everyone with parental responsibility has to agree. If you can't agree, you should attend mediation, and ultimately go to court. Rightly or wrongly, the fact that you're resident parent doesn't mean that your wishes trump his, though if you end up in court it may be taken into account in terms of logistics if nothing else.

MiddleSchoolChoices · 28/09/2023 21:20

CakeIsNotAvailable · 28/09/2023 21:17

You might be as well posting on the Legal board for advice. You will probably get lots of confident-sounding but wrong advice on here. In England at least, school choice is one of a handful of issues on which everyone with parental responsibility has to agree. If you can't agree, you should attend mediation, and ultimately go to court. Rightly or wrongly, the fact that you're resident parent doesn't mean that your wishes trump his, though if you end up in court it may be taken into account in terms of logistics if nothing else.

@CakeIsNotAvailable I know his views matter thats why I'm so worried about it. If he took me to court he'd probably get one of the non doms for her, because there is that option unlike at First School level where we had no chance of getting it

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Enko · 29/09/2023 09:13

I dont think he would. Automatically get the school he wanted under a court.
Your daughters mobility issues would be taken into account and the 2 non religious schools are further than where she can comfortably walk. The best interest of the child weigh here.

It isn't morally right but personally I'd likely go for option 2..

I would go ask at the legal forum or secondary school. forum a lot of good specialists around who knows the legalities here.

Bemyclementine · 29/09/2023 09:20

Surely it's not really up to you which school she gets? If you put "his" school as first choice, but "your" school is the catchment, you'll still get "your" school more than likely?

MiddleSchoolChoices · 29/09/2023 13:12

Bemyclementine · 29/09/2023 09:20

Surely it's not really up to you which school she gets? If you put "his" school as first choice, but "your" school is the catchment, you'll still get "your" school more than likely?

@Bemyclementine In all of the last 6 years we'd have got whichever school we put down first, no matter whether thats the catchment school or one of the other 2.

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PuttingDownRoots · 29/09/2023 13:22

What age does the Middle School go up to? Will she be expecting at some point to walk to school with friends, not a parent. A school she can get to easily would be beneficial to her.

Are there any other aspects of the two schools which make them more suitable for her mobility needs?

MiddleSchoolChoices · 29/09/2023 13:32

PuttingDownRoots · 29/09/2023 13:22

What age does the Middle School go up to? Will she be expecting at some point to walk to school with friends, not a parent. A school she can get to easily would be beneficial to her.

Are there any other aspects of the two schools which make them more suitable for her mobility needs?

Years 5 to 8 so aged 9/10 to 12/13

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MiddleSchoolChoices · 29/09/2023 13:33

PuttingDownRoots · 29/09/2023 13:22

What age does the Middle School go up to? Will she be expecting at some point to walk to school with friends, not a parent. A school she can get to easily would be beneficial to her.

Are there any other aspects of the two schools which make them more suitable for her mobility needs?

@PuttingDownRoots Are there any other aspects of the two schools which make them more suitable for her mobility needs?

Not really, they're all very similar and on paper all would suit her, it's just down to the culture and where her friends will go really.

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ditalini · 29/09/2023 13:34

If there's no possibility of his attitude changing, I'd be inclined to go for the better of the two nondom schools.

It sounds like he's already poisoning dd against school and the refusal to have anything to do with it sounds like an utter pain in the arse for you.

Yes, having friends already at the school is a plus and comforting right at the start but she will make new friends.

Is this going to come up again for high school or will they all go to the same place then?

MiddleSchoolChoices · 29/09/2023 13:36

ditalini · 29/09/2023 13:34

If there's no possibility of his attitude changing, I'd be inclined to go for the better of the two nondom schools.

It sounds like he's already poisoning dd against school and the refusal to have anything to do with it sounds like an utter pain in the arse for you.

Yes, having friends already at the school is a plus and comforting right at the start but she will make new friends.

Is this going to come up again for high school or will they all go to the same place then?

@ditalini Theres 2 high schools, but they're both non dom. Again not much difference between them.

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yesterweek · 29/09/2023 13:44

I can see why he is your ExH. Sounds like the kind of person who thinks his "principles" allow him to be unreasonable to others. Pick the school that you and DD think best. He won't see the applications. And if he asks, you say it is what was allocated and DD is happy. He needs to grow up. My wife is RC. I'm an atheist. Kids go to CofE primary as it was the best option. Life is full of people with different beliefs and backgrounds. I cannot imagine the kind of dad who refuses to support his daughters choice to be in a choir because it involves time in a church. What an idiot. Don't let him control you or DD anymore.

TeddyBeans · 29/09/2023 13:46

Just curious, where are you? Because where I live, infants is years R-2 and juniors is years 3-6. ExDP didn't have a say in where I applied for school either. It only needs one person with PR to fill in the online form. Might not be accurate but it was my experience.

Imo the only person whose opinion matters here is DD's. She's got to be the one who's happy at school, she's the one going!

ditalini · 29/09/2023 14:55

TeddyBeans · 29/09/2023 13:46

Just curious, where are you? Because where I live, infants is years R-2 and juniors is years 3-6. ExDP didn't have a say in where I applied for school either. It only needs one person with PR to fill in the online form. Might not be accurate but it was my experience.

Imo the only person whose opinion matters here is DD's. She's got to be the one who's happy at school, she's the one going!

Yes, the only opinion who should matter when all the schools are good and transport isn't an insurmountable issue is dd, but the exH has form for making life more difficult based on this one issue.

So for me the balance would be:

Option 1: exH stops undermining and badmouthing school to dd, dd is allowed to take part in all activities, op doesn't have to take full responsibility for everything to do with school, including transport, because exH stops being a massive baby.

vs

Option 2: Dd has an easier journey to school, dd is at the school she has expressed a preference for, dd is amongst the majority of her infant school friends, but dd & op are exposed again to exH's campaign against the school to both their detriment.

Which of the above will make dd happiest over the next few years, bearing in mind that constant low level undermining can really drag you down.

Preference would be for exH to stop being a whiny little shit, but presumably that's not going to happen.

MiddleSchoolChoices · 29/09/2023 17:07

ditalini · 29/09/2023 14:55

Yes, the only opinion who should matter when all the schools are good and transport isn't an insurmountable issue is dd, but the exH has form for making life more difficult based on this one issue.

So for me the balance would be:

Option 1: exH stops undermining and badmouthing school to dd, dd is allowed to take part in all activities, op doesn't have to take full responsibility for everything to do with school, including transport, because exH stops being a massive baby.

vs

Option 2: Dd has an easier journey to school, dd is at the school she has expressed a preference for, dd is amongst the majority of her infant school friends, but dd & op are exposed again to exH's campaign against the school to both their detriment.

Which of the above will make dd happiest over the next few years, bearing in mind that constant low level undermining can really drag you down.

Preference would be for exH to stop being a whiny little shit, but presumably that's not going to happen.

Edited

@ditalini Thank you that explains my thought process. I think with Option 1 DD could end up resenting ExH in future, but is that really my problem? But then he'd blame me either way so then what do I do for the best?

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MiddleSchoolChoices · 26/10/2023 12:20

Thought I'd update to say I managed to have a chat with my solicitor I used for the original court case (yes she charged me!) but she reckons if it did go back to court they'd actually look at what I want more than ExH because I am RP, as long as my choice(s) don't negatively affect contact.

Which they won't because I will continue to pick her up from school on his Friday and drop her off to his. So literally it changes nothing in terms of current set up, so I might put cofe as number 1 on form.

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