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Lucy Letby appeal

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GonnaGetGoingReturns · 16/09/2023 07:33

Sorry if not allowed to discuss here but just seem that this vile creature plans to appeal against her original sentence as per yesterday’s news. Her defence team is leading this potential appeal.

WTAF?!

They haven’t reached a verdict on is it 6 or 7 poor other little babies who died and she’s suspected, I thought?

So sad for the poor parents and babies still.

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BIossomtoes · 20/09/2023 09:40

That website was discredited weeks ago.

978q · 20/09/2023 10:15

BIossomtoes · 20/09/2023 09:40

That website was discredited weeks ago.

By your like minded, however the statements in the article are factual, to the point of milan being corrected by her own Liverpool units policy.

"Please note that the insulin assay performed at RLUH is not suitable for the investigation of factitious hypoglycaemia. If exogenous insulin administration is suspected as the cause of hypoglycaemia, please inform the laboratory so that the sample can be referred externally for analysis."

perhaps you and your like would like to discredit RLUH too.

However the insulin is a deflection from the opinion/testimony of Dr Andreas Manderide, which is exactly that hypothesis/opinion, which our London people tell us will be centre stage of appeal application skeleton, makes complete sense.

BIossomtoes · 20/09/2023 10:20

So is Dr Manderide going to give different evidence from that he gave as an expert witness during the trial?

WhiteFire · 20/09/2023 10:47

which our London people tell us

Thank you for revealing who you are.

978q · 20/09/2023 10:56

WhiteFire · 20/09/2023 10:47

which our London people tell us

Thank you for revealing who you are.

That you will never know, along with most other things.

978q · 20/09/2023 11:18

BIossomtoes · 20/09/2023 10:37

I’m surprised an appeal would rely on his evidence in any event when Myers poo pooed it as part of the defence case.

https://www.chesterstandard.co.uk/news/23613176.recap-lucy-letby-trial-june-26---defence-closing-speech/

Rely? you will eventually catch on.

Robertius · 20/09/2023 13:01

The jury was reduced to 11 as one juror couldn’t continue. Verdicts were all made unanimously or 10 - 1. There were a few charges where the jury could not decide but on the vast majority of the cases the jury found that she was guilty beyond all reasonable doubt.

the problem for the prosecution was that letby wasn’t actually seen killing babies but the strength of their case was that she was involved in every single suspicious death and suspicious baby health crash incident. The defence did their best but what really weakened their case was the absence of any other (other than that letby killed them) obvious cause of seven babies medically inexplicable deaths… and they couldn’t find a medical expert to say it might have just been a run of bad luck…

in the absence of any other person placed to carry out the killings - or of any other medically convincing theory why seven babies might die - or of any convincing bad luck theory - the jury went for the obvious suspect - the nurse who was always there (letby) - and whose evidence changed a little and often clashed with what parents and consultants remembered and what she had originally said to the police… and who wrote a note “I did this. I am evil.”

HazelE123 · 20/09/2023 13:26

ZadocPDederick · 20/09/2023 09:37

I would take nothing from that website as incontrovertible. It's been thoroughly discredited. It was set up by Sarrita Adams, a severely mentally ill English woman living in California who has had manifold legal issues including in relation to physical attacks on and threats to her ex-husband, and has been declared mentally incompetent. . There's no evidence she's actually worked as a scientist since graduation or even that she submitted her PHD thesis.

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Do you have a citation for those claims? Or have you been reading that awful gossip site Tattle? What evidence is there that this person is a) severely mentally ill b) been declared mentally incompetent c) made physical attacks and threats to her ex husband? All I know is that she had a divorce case and as many know, divorce cases can be brutal on all involved. I don't know the details of someone else's divorce and personal life but many allegations are made in family courts and not all are true. It is often people who have been victimised themselves,. who turn to trying to support those who they feel have been treated unustly. Apparently that site has a number of professionals join up including medical and legal professionals.

Gilead · 20/09/2023 13:48

Perhaps if you read some of the court documents, you will realise that Ms. Adam’s is really not very well.

Oulu · 20/09/2023 15:23

This confirms that Adams has to litigate through a guardian ad litem. It also refers to her trying to suppress some evidence of her health problems because she feels it is being used to discredit her.

Billings v. Adams

On 02/22/2021 Billings filed an Other court case against Adams in California Courts of Appeal. Court records for this case are available from First Appellate District - Division 3.

https://unicourt.com/case/ca-sca1-billings-v-adams-143493

itsgettingweird · 20/09/2023 17:01

Robertius · 20/09/2023 13:01

The jury was reduced to 11 as one juror couldn’t continue. Verdicts were all made unanimously or 10 - 1. There were a few charges where the jury could not decide but on the vast majority of the cases the jury found that she was guilty beyond all reasonable doubt.

the problem for the prosecution was that letby wasn’t actually seen killing babies but the strength of their case was that she was involved in every single suspicious death and suspicious baby health crash incident. The defence did their best but what really weakened their case was the absence of any other (other than that letby killed them) obvious cause of seven babies medically inexplicable deaths… and they couldn’t find a medical expert to say it might have just been a run of bad luck…

in the absence of any other person placed to carry out the killings - or of any other medically convincing theory why seven babies might die - or of any convincing bad luck theory - the jury went for the obvious suspect - the nurse who was always there (letby) - and whose evidence changed a little and often clashed with what parents and consultants remembered and what she had originally said to the police… and who wrote a note “I did this. I am evil.”

Yes.

LL couldn't recall anything she did and said.

She seemed to have an amazing memory for everyone else's moves though. Enough to try and blame them.

978q · 20/09/2023 17:23

Who did she blame ?

"She seemed to have an amazing memory for everyone else's moves though. Enough to try and blame them"

978q · 20/09/2023 18:46

Certainly didn't have its troubles to seek, no one prosecuted for negligence.

www.fieldfisher.com/en/injury-claims/case-studies/8m-settlement-in-medical-negligence-claim

WhiteFire · 20/09/2023 19:20

There has been some absolute failings at the Countess but the two things can co-exist.

There has been some horrendous maternity failings in England especially, and a number of major reviews are ongoing.

ItstimeToMoveagain · 20/09/2023 19:53

WhiteFire · 20/09/2023 19:20

There has been some absolute failings at the Countess but the two things can co-exist.

There has been some horrendous maternity failings in England especially, and a number of major reviews are ongoing.

Exactly, Apparently the ones near me is currently at the centre of the largest maternity inquiry in the history of the NHS.

They don't think anyone killed the 3 babies that died though, I think they know the difference between poor maternity and neonatal care and murder

bellac11 · 20/09/2023 20:50

Is that east kent hospitals, William Harvey etc?

ItstimeToMoveagain · 20/09/2023 21:28

Nottingham

ZadocPDederick · 20/09/2023 22:11

978q · 20/09/2023 18:46

Certainly didn't have its troubles to seek, no one prosecuted for negligence.

www.fieldfisher.com/en/injury-claims/case-studies/8m-settlement-in-medical-negligence-claim

Every hospital in the country has had a medical negligence claim against it. In most cases, they have had more than one. That includes, for instance, the authority covering the Grantham and Kesteven hospital. That doesn't change the fact that Beverley Allitt committed murders whilst working there.

HazelE123 · 21/09/2023 02:22

Oulu · 20/09/2023 15:23

This confirms that Adams has to litigate through a guardian ad litem. It also refers to her trying to suppress some evidence of her health problems because she feels it is being used to discredit her.

Autism is a medical condition. All it seems to say is she was trying to protect herself against her individuals on the internet trying to tarnish her reputation. Some of the most brilliant minds are autistic.

Oulu · 21/09/2023 09:23

No-one has a guardian to conduct litigation for them if they are deemed to have capacity.

978q · 21/09/2023 09:24

Yes, we know of that mental slur here, seems it is ok to describe autism as a mental problem in this thread🤷‍♂️

www.verywellhealth.com/guardianship-for-adults-with-autism-4165687

WhiteFire · 21/09/2023 10:20

Yes, we know of that mental slur here, seems it is ok to describe autism as a mental problem in this thread 🤷‍♂️

Can you clarify what the mental slur is that you are referring to here please.

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