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Any tips to get DD to school?

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HatingSchoolButLovingit · 12/09/2023 09:32

DD is 9, Year 5.

DD hates school, I struggle to get her in most days, she hides bits of her uniform or her shoes or her glasses. She’s got to the stage now where if she refuses to go I cannot physically get her in, she’s to heavy.

Making her sit at home with no screens and no toys doesn’t help. We did this for 2 days when I had to work quietly she described them as the best days ever.

She is fine once at school. She has friends, can do the work, is working at or above expectations in all areas, she just does not like the act of going to school. She had bad separation anxiety when she started Nursery we think due to a history of DV (ExH towards both DD and I). She literally comes out happy.

School have given her counselling and she just says she doesn’t like being away from mum. She’s had screening for dyslexia and a pre-screen for autism but both came back as not that which was expected as she’s happy once at school. She also says the work is hard and she doesn’t see the point of doing it.

We have no issues in the holidays, and she goes to holiday club – she is better when she goes in later and does afternoons but will go in in the morning. The only difference is she’s not made to do anything there, she can sit out.

We tried putting her on packed lunches but it made no difference. I am stumped. The only time she’s better about going to school is a few times she’s had opticians or dentist appointments and gone in after registers have closed but even then she’s reluctant to go.

Her attendance in Year 3 was 65%, Year 4 was 49%. She’s already missed 2 days this half term – we only started back last Wednesday (6th). She won’t go in late if I can’t get her in in the morning.

School are out of ideas and have said I need to be tougher and force her in but she’s now physically almost as tall as me and is to heavy to lift. She kicks, hits, bites and will undo her seatbelt and pull my hair while driving so I can’t safely drive her in, there is no way of physically restraining her safely in the car and she’s too heavy to carry 0.9m to school – this is the closest school. We tried breakfast club for awhile which worked for a few weeks and improved her attendance but then she stopped being motivated to go, she didn’t dislike it she just didn’t want to go.

We moved during covid and this is her second school, but she didn’t like the other school and never really settled.

I can’t hold down a job easily because she’s unpredictable with it - as in sometimes she will have a few days or weeks of being fine and going and then other times she flat out refuses most of the time now its more refusal than anything. I’m a single parent, my mental health is shot to pieces and probably never will recover, school shrug and tell me she’s fine once there (which I think she is) and it’s my problem, ExH sees DD for 2 nights 1 weekend a month and refuses to get involved - we split when DD was 18 months old so not a new thing and she doesn't remember us ever being together.

DD has actually said she likes school she just doesn’t want to go. She is off again today, chats don't work she actually says she likes school, she has friends (and lists them) when she was going regularly she got party invites, but she says she can't see the point of it. It's got worse since schools reopened after lockdown.

Any tips? I want to save my mental health, there is no-one else to care for DD, ExH has said he won't take her.

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CyberCritical · 12/09/2023 09:39

Would school agree to her starting 5 mins later so she can just go straight into the classroom after register?

DD isn't a school refuser but we find she does better in the morning if she goes to breakfast club, because she just goes straight in and straight to being with her friends doing something. If she has to wait around in the playground for the teachers to come out and line them up and walk them in then it's like she spends too much time thinking about it all and she sometimes gets upset.

JellyComb · 12/09/2023 09:39

Could she come home for lunch and go back again in the afternoon as a way of breaking up the day? I know its a PITA but might work.

HatingSchoolButLovingit · 12/09/2023 09:42

CyberCritical · 12/09/2023 09:39

Would school agree to her starting 5 mins later so she can just go straight into the classroom after register?

DD isn't a school refuser but we find she does better in the morning if she goes to breakfast club, because she just goes straight in and straight to being with her friends doing something. If she has to wait around in the playground for the teachers to come out and line them up and walk them in then it's like she spends too much time thinking about it all and she sometimes gets upset.

@CyberCritical She's better but not much when she's gone in late, I can ask and trial it but I'm not sure it'll work. We did breakfast club for awhile but she stopped being motivated by it.

The school don't line up on the playground and go in, you walk your child to a gate and don't go onto school premisis since covid, child goes straight into class and has an activity to do. Register is taken as they walk in.

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HatingSchoolButLovingit · 12/09/2023 09:43

JellyComb · 12/09/2023 09:39

Could she come home for lunch and go back again in the afternoon as a way of breaking up the day? I know its a PITA but might work.

@JellyComb I don't think I'd get her back, but I can try thank you

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megletthesecond · 12/09/2023 09:44

To be fair, she probably isn't fine in school. She's masking.

My teen is at home for the second day today. I used to carry her and get bitten in the primary years but I can't do that now.

HatingSchoolButLovingit · 12/09/2023 09:47

megletthesecond · 12/09/2023 09:44

To be fair, she probably isn't fine in school. She's masking.

My teen is at home for the second day today. I used to carry her and get bitten in the primary years but I can't do that now.

@megletthesecond She comes out happy, we have no meltdowns or issues once home from school, she has friends, she says she likes school she just doesn't see the point of it.

She didn't meet the criteria for autism screening, I was sent a parent questionnaire that asked things like being at home and got told she just does not like being at school but they don't know why as it's not SN.

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Bananaanaana · 12/09/2023 09:49

Has she had CBT for the separation anxiety? School sometimes have routes for accessing this. Sounds like a lot stems from the previous DV.

Bananaanaana · 12/09/2023 09:52

I think it is easier to address if you have firmly established whether there is an underlying problem (separation anxiety, SEN etc). Sounds like you need to try accessing help for the separation issue as you’ve looked into SEN. Then, if it really is just behavioural (she doesn’t want to go), you can address that with the usual methods (discussion, rewards, punishment etc) in the knowledge that you’ve ruled out anything else.

SwanBoat · 12/09/2023 09:56

I wonder if you could ask school if she could do some of her work in a quiet place outside the classroom (a table in the corridor or the library) and see if that makes any difference? I'd also ask for her to be able to go somewhere quiet to take a break if she needs one. I'm partly suggesting this because of what you said about her enjoying the two quiet days at home. Also because this helped my daughter.

I also would look more into autism and girls just to be absolutely sure that can be ruled out. My daughter was 9 when I realised she could be autistic. Girls can be very good at masking and DD's autism is much less obvious than her brother's.

Both my kids can cope with noise if they're enjoying an activity but get more stressed if it's something less enjoyable (holiday club v school work). I'd try and find out if the noise in the classroom bothers her at all.

Also you could look at taking her in for shorter periods, eg a couple of hours, just a morning and try and build it up after a while.

lifeturnsonadime · 12/09/2023 09:57

She doesn't need a diagnosis for an EHCNA which is what I think you need to do here ( I have experience of parenting 2 school refusers who I ended up educating at home on EOTAS arrangements).

https://www.ipsea.org.uk/asking-for-an-ehc-needs-assessment#:~:text=You%20should%20make%20a%20written%20request%20and%20keep,model%20letter%20as%20a%20template%20for%20your%20request.

I don't think that there is much you can do, other than request this or request a later start or flexi schooling. You can't drag a child into school kicking and screaming.

I'd put money on the fact that there is something else going on such as undiagnosed neurodivergence, girls often fall through the gaps of meeting criteria for autism diagnosis due to masking/ presenting differently to boys.

The EHCNA should give access to a Speech and language , Occupational therapy and Educational Pscyhology assessment which might give you a clearer idea. I had no idea my eldest school refuser could be autistic until he saw the speech and language therapist as part of the assessment.

The more information you get the better prepared you will be to know what's best for your DC's education.

In addition you should know that if a child misses 15 days of school which does not have to be consecutive the LA has a duty to put in alternative provision, they do not advertise this.

Ask you child how she thinks she will be educated if she's not in school.

Do not despair, my eldest didn't place a step in school from the age of 10 -16 and he's now applying to Oxford University and has 100% attendance at 6th form. My youngest isn't as academically gifted but will be fine too despite school refusal.

Most children want to do well as adults we have a duty to help them to do that and for some children the school environment, particularly mainstream, is too much, even if they can't articulate it.

Asking for an EHC needs assessment

When should a local authority carry out an EHC needs assessment? If a local authority (“LA”) is requested to carry out an EHC needs assessment by a parent, young person, school or college, they must consider: whether the child or young pers...

https://www.ipsea.org.uk/asking-for-an-ehc-needs-assessment#:~:text=You%20should%20make%20a%20written%20request%20and%20keep,model%20letter%20as%20a%20template%20for%20your%20request.

HatingSchoolButLovingit · 12/09/2023 10:16

I don't believe she's autistic.

The sitting quietly at home was because I had work to be getting on with - I was on a course with Universal Credit at the time to try and get me back into work, I was trying to make the day boring and not fun to try and encourage her to go to school, which didn't work.

She's just as happy in the classroom, I've literally seen her in her classroom and she's fine. We have no issues getting her in on trip days - other parents who've been on trips with the class have said she has no issues. She's very chatty with her classmates, seems happy and is well liked.

I think anxeity/Seperation issues are the way to go with it and I'll go back to the GP on that.

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lifeturnsonadime · 12/09/2023 10:23

I think anxeity/Seperation issues are the way to go with it and I'll go back to the GP on that.

Anxiety is still an educational need if it prevents a child from going to school.

My advice is still the EHCNA to get the support she needs, whatever that turns out to be.

I didn't think either of my children were autistic when they started school refusal because they had friends etc, but they both are.

Something is stopping your DC from getting to school and the more information you can get about that the better, from experience the GP can't do anything other than refer onto CAMHS which has waiting lists of more than 2 years in most areas.

OvertakenByLego · 12/09/2023 10:47

I second @lifeturnsonadime. An EHCNA is the way to go. Whatever the reason the needs assessment will help everyone understand those needs and the support required. DD needs more support than she is currently receiving and an EHCP can ensure that is provided, including MH support.

AmyandPhilipfan · 12/09/2023 12:07

What's she like around other children? Would she still refuse to leave the house if a friend was there or would she not want to her friend to see her acting like that? Does she have a friend nearby who you could ask to have dropped off at yours for you to take both children to school, if it would make yours go in more easily?

LittleGreenDuck · 12/09/2023 15:06

Is she ok at her dad's? It jumped out at me that she had anxiety as a toddler due to DV towards both you and her and that she now spends some nights with him. Any chance there's still some abuse going on?

Sorry to have to ask that, but I wondered if she doesn't want to leave you as you're her safe place. She may not be able to articulate this.

HatingSchoolButLovingit · 12/09/2023 15:52

LittleGreenDuck · 12/09/2023 15:06

Is she ok at her dad's? It jumped out at me that she had anxiety as a toddler due to DV towards both you and her and that she now spends some nights with him. Any chance there's still some abuse going on?

Sorry to have to ask that, but I wondered if she doesn't want to leave you as you're her safe place. She may not be able to articulate this.

@LittleGreenDuck Loves her dad, he's very much a disney dad, they eat takeaways and watch films all weekend.

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frozendaisy · 12/09/2023 16:25

There might be something in this article, or at least a charity you could contact or talk the school through with a long term strategy.

Hope you find a way forward.

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