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Does anyone run a baby group/franchise?

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QueenOfWeeds · 10/09/2023 15:55

I’ve reached the stage of my mat leave where I need to make a decision about going back to work and, frankly, I don’t want to. If I go back full time I will barely make any money once we have paid for nursery, and I work in EYFS and the education sector, so I would be paying for nursery during the holidays as well, which is a real kick in the teeth (nowhere round us does term time places).

I’ve started thinking about baby groups and running my own or, more realistically, a franchise from one of the big branded ones. We are about to move from a big city to a more rural location, and lots of DDs favourite classes here don’t seem to exist there. Does anyone run one/work for one? Is it as straightforward as it seems?

I know I would need to buy into a franchise/ have an initial set up, and need business insurance, first aid training etc. We have family who could take DD for short periods of time, eg a few mornings a week. I’m sure there are complicating factors I haven’t thought of, though.

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QueenOfWeeds · 10/09/2023 23:42

That’s a resounding no, then…

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Nic01e · 25/09/2023 21:10

Hi! I own a franchise - I would say approach with caution. It’s worth considering what you are actually getting for your investment, and if you would be better off setting something up yourself.

Unless the franchise is an very well known brand or topping the search engine results for anyone searching for baby massage / messy play / baby classes / whatever it is you want to do in your area, don’t under estimate the amount of work you will need to do to build awareness and make sales. And with baby classes there is a constant need to find new customers as people will always age out of them / go back to work etc. The best baby classes spread by local word of mouth / reputation - and you don’t need to pay a franchisor for that as you will have to create it yourself anyway, their nationwide website and social pages are unlikely to do that for you.

It’s definitely true that there are always parents looking for baby classes, and massive opportunities to make something successful. But margins can be tight once you’ve paid out for space, equipment etc - so if you are having to give any of that to a franchisor as monthly fees or them taking a percentage of your sales that makes things tighter.

There can be a lot of rules to follow too when you are operating someone else’s brand (like social media guidelines, formats for how you run classes etc) which can be frustrating when you can’t respond to local nuance or use your creativity or judgement.

What franchises do offer is support in terms of a group of people in the same situation to talk to and share ideas with, which is really lovely - but you can make more money and have more control setting up by yourself, so it depends what is most important to you. In my personal experience the “business” support they offer is little more than website hosting, access to payment processing and information you could easily work out yourself on the internet (eg social media guidance).

I am 20 months into my franchise and haven’t made back my initial investment yet, even though on the surface you would think my business is successful (sold out classes, positive reviews etc) - but once I have paid all of my costs and franchise fees I don’t make very much money each month. Luckily for me it was not about making money and more about having flexibility - but even so I am finding that the franchisor’s estimations and guides of what you can make were exceptionally optimistic and not very realistic - so make sure you really do your maths, and factor for quiet periods of the year, holidays you will take etc.

I was definitely naive getting into it - I under estimated the amount of time it would take me outside of running classes - going back and forth with locations, customers, maintains social media and constantly working to sell the next thing. I can’t do these things during the day when I have my children so it has taken over my evenings. Like most situations I can’t have my children at the class with me as they need too much from me, which means I have to sort out childcare - and to run more classes to make more money I have to sort out more childcare - which can be difficult, and either expensive or leave me feeling like I am asking too much from family.

All this said, it’s been a really interesting experience and I’ve met some amazing people. It’s definitely worth really thinking about the time commitment and if it is really worth getting into a franchise with the buy in costs and fees rather that just going it alone and doing your own thing where you have full control.

Hope this helps, sorry it’s long!

QueenOfWeeds · 26/09/2023 15:39

That is stunningly helpful, thank you! Lots I hadn’t considered, so definitely lots to think about.

Thank you for taking the time to reply.

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Idabidaboo · 27/09/2023 19:29

I was coming to ask the same question so thank you so much for your thoughts! Ive decided to go it alone and start my own baby and toddler classes. Do you spend a lot on props for your classes? I’m wondering if you think you really need all the stuff or could it be scaled back? Thanks in advance 😊

QueenOfWeeds · 27/09/2023 19:56

@Idabidaboo obviously @Nic01e has more experience here, but I think you would need to be canny about reusing props for different age groups/activities, and quick ways to sanitise effectively between groups. One near us starts with the oldest children, then the tiny babies, and ends with the mouthy/rolling/awkward age <looks at DD>. This means they aren’t having to get things clean and dry as quickly because they are less likely to use the same resources for the oldest and youngest babies.

I’m interested in how much support you get resourcing, but I suspect it depends on the company.

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Idabidaboo · 28/09/2023 03:54

@QueenOfWeeds Thank you such a good thought!!!! Hadn’t thought about that at all! Will you go with a Franchise or go it alone do you think?

Nic01e · 29/09/2023 23:24

I think it hugely depends on the company how much support you get with props etc - and it is generally reflected in the initial buy in cost how much you get, they can vary a lot. Most franchises also require you to buy additional things you need solely through them which isn’t always the most cost effective route.

Most of what I have is reusable and will last a long time, but there are some extras along the way.

Another big factor is the cost of venue hire which seems to vary lots geographically. For health and safety babies count as full people (which sounds like a silly thing to say, obviously they are people) - but that means that 15 babies attending = 15 parents, and with yourself as well you are already over 30 people in the space so need to make sure it has a big enough capacity.

my costs look something like this per person:

  • venue: £2 (based on 15 attendees)
  • props: £1
  • refreshments: £1
  • payment processing: £0.31
  • royalty to franchiser: £0.80 (10% of ticket cost)

Which essentially means I’m left with about £43.35 for each class I run - assuming it has 15 people in. Any less and my overheads are higher as the venue costs the same (£30 p/hr) regardless (I would make a loss if I had any less than 7 in a class).

In a day, the max I can do is 5 classes - so £216.75 profit assuming all have 15 - and I’ve given £60 to the franchisor. But if I have to pay for childcare it would take away £88 of my profit to put my two DD’s into nursery for the day (one gets funded hours so I only pay the supplement, the other is too young so I pay full price).

Then other costs on top of this are Public liability / business insurance, accounting, leaflet printing, petrol etc which I find quite hard to work out as a cost per head as so many variables. There’s also some large-ish one off purchases like storage boxes, a cart to carry it all from the car etc.

I imagine things will be a whole lot easier when my girls are at school and I have free childcare for a big part of every day so I’m not paying or putting too much onto family.

I love what I do, but it definitely won’t make me rich 😂 and the time commitment for planning, promoting, selling, dealing with queries etc is quite big.

QueenOfWeeds · 30/09/2023 07:45

@Nic01e that is so informative, thank you. Really interesting to see the per head breakdown.

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Unexpecteddrivinginstructor · 30/09/2023 08:00

Would you consider setting up as a child minder or nanny, maybe find someone happy for you to bring your child? Especially if you are looking for term time work and there is none where you are moving to. Teachers there must need childcare and it seems there is a gap in the market there too.

QueenOfWeeds · 30/09/2023 09:13

Childminder is definitely an option, but I would want to change the layout of our home so it feels like a more nuclear option. If we find a property to move to with the right layout then that’s on the list!

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StillWantingADog · 30/09/2023 09:29

I did. A fairly well known franchise. Not quite a baby group though - my main target market was 2-4 year olds and I also did sessions in nurseries and primary schools.
I built it up over 2 and a bit years and was pretty solidly busy 3 days a week (7 sessions each day), term time only. Then the pandemic hit, managed to do some stuff online for well over a year but the 2nd build up was a huge slog and I eventually gave it up after 4 years and went back to my old career. If it wasn’t for the pandemic I might have kept at it. Not sure.

I don’t have regrets at all but it was HARD WORK and if you’re doing venue classes eg hiring a venue and people come along and pay it’s almost impossible to make any money. I made all my money from doing sessions at nurseries and primary schools where I don’t have to pay venue hire, but the public venue classes were important for PR purposes.

I personally hated the fb/Instagram promotion side of things, but if you’re into that it will help a lot as it’s a necessary evil.

I also hated the fact that I had to acquire lots of “stuff” that cost money to buy and then cluttered up my house for months.

most of my customers were lovely but I had one persistently horrible one that put horrid reviews on Google. That knocked my confidence a lot. You need a thick skin.

Depending on where you are the market may be very saturated (or not) so definitely do a lot of research into what is currently available in your area, what they are charging etc

you will NOT make a good living doing this. But if you have a good earning dp you might make a useful sum of money while doing something you enjoy fitting around the needs of your DCs. And probably not earning enough to have to pay tax.

I know of a lot of franchisees for different franchises that started and in most (def not all) cases eventually gave up. There are some superwomen out there who end up running multiple franchises and making a proper living but they are rare and been at it for years.

RandomMess · 30/09/2023 09:37

I was going to say be a childminder or even a nanny - some people are happy for nanny to bring their child with them each day or for some days.

Some areas are desperate for after school care and unless it's changed if it's 2 hours or less per day then you don't need to be register. Pick up from school walk to your house or perhaps even theirs. Feed them, play/chill time and done.

QueenOfWeeds · 30/09/2023 09:40

I did wonder about the logistics of storing things. Some of the groups around us must hire storage because they leave things in the hall, but that’s an extra cost I suppose.

The advantage of being a childminder is I could buy all the toys DH won’t let me buy DD 😂.

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LIB2020 · 23/06/2025 11:36

@QueenOfWeeds did you set one up?
im in a similar position I’ll be going on maternity leave soon and I’d rather not have to return to my high pressure/ responsibility job and I am looking into other options. I’d like to do some sort of sensory class however dont see how I would make much money doing it.

Idabidaboo · 23/06/2025 15:11

I opened a baby/toddler sensory class but decided against a franchise in the end! I prefer to have my own autonomy and keep all of my profits. I can highly recommend 'The baby class expert'. She runs a course that helps you set up your business without being royalties and she has a really supportive online community that all help each other out. Shout if you have any more questions.

LIB2020 · 23/06/2025 18:31

@Idabidaboo
have you made much from it?
I don’t mind taking a small wage cut because it’s worth that to have less of a pressured job but I am concerned about not having a steady income.
Do you do different venues or have one that you stay in for all your classes? Im genuinely considering it I’ve just never done anything like it before so I’m clueless and it makes me worried but I know I can’t continue in my current job forever even though the shifts and amount of annual leave work for me mental health wise it takes it’s toll.

HeidiWhole · 23/06/2025 18:43

It’s difficult to make a living with a franchise unless you have multiple classes in different locations which generally means hiring people to take classes for you. Margins are very tight. People generally do not want to pay a lot for a baby class unless you are in a very affluent area and halls are expensive to hire. Add the cost of equipment, insurance, advertising etc.
The area you live in is key, aswell. Do your research on how well baby’s classes really do in your area - just because the classes run regularly does not mean the person running them is making any money.
There are a lot of ex-franchisees!

Idabidaboo · 23/06/2025 19:15

LIB2020 · 23/06/2025 18:31

@Idabidaboo
have you made much from it?
I don’t mind taking a small wage cut because it’s worth that to have less of a pressured job but I am concerned about not having a steady income.
Do you do different venues or have one that you stay in for all your classes? Im genuinely considering it I’ve just never done anything like it before so I’m clueless and it makes me worried but I know I can’t continue in my current job forever even though the shifts and amount of annual leave work for me mental health wise it takes it’s toll.

I'm a bit of a different case because actually I run classes in a European city and I'm the only one running in English so im not sure you can compare. I run classes 3 mornings a week and hire my venue. I would say if there is stress already then it probably isn't worth getting yourself I to it. It's hard to predict if every class is going to be full and margins are definitely tight to begin with. I definitely overspent at the beginning but now I'm much more savvy with what I need to buy and all my big ticket items are paid for. I used be a full time teacher so I have taken a massive salary decrease but I'm fortunate that my husband's salary covers us and mine is just pocket money so to speak.

LIB2020 · 23/06/2025 19:40

Thank you so much for your reply, that’s very helpful.

QueenOfWeeds · 24/06/2025 06:56

@LIB2020 I got as far as sending off for an application pack…then got pregnant with DD2 so I decided now isn’t the time! She’s still a bit little for baby groups but it’s interesting seeing how different they are here - I went to a group with DD1 where the sessions were full, with a waiting list, all week. Approx 12-15 babies per class. We’ve since moved and the same classes run here, but a friend went to one and there were only 2 babies, one of whom was on a free trial! So it’s definitely highly location specific.

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Frenchmamon · 24/06/2025 14:39

Hi, has anyone purchased the story imaginory franchise? Or similar. It's sounds pretty good and you do seem to get quite a lot of support for what you pay in. Just interested in any franchisee success stories really?

Frenchmamon · 09/07/2025 11:21

Nic01e · 25/09/2023 21:10

Hi! I own a franchise - I would say approach with caution. It’s worth considering what you are actually getting for your investment, and if you would be better off setting something up yourself.

Unless the franchise is an very well known brand or topping the search engine results for anyone searching for baby massage / messy play / baby classes / whatever it is you want to do in your area, don’t under estimate the amount of work you will need to do to build awareness and make sales. And with baby classes there is a constant need to find new customers as people will always age out of them / go back to work etc. The best baby classes spread by local word of mouth / reputation - and you don’t need to pay a franchisor for that as you will have to create it yourself anyway, their nationwide website and social pages are unlikely to do that for you.

It’s definitely true that there are always parents looking for baby classes, and massive opportunities to make something successful. But margins can be tight once you’ve paid out for space, equipment etc - so if you are having to give any of that to a franchisor as monthly fees or them taking a percentage of your sales that makes things tighter.

There can be a lot of rules to follow too when you are operating someone else’s brand (like social media guidelines, formats for how you run classes etc) which can be frustrating when you can’t respond to local nuance or use your creativity or judgement.

What franchises do offer is support in terms of a group of people in the same situation to talk to and share ideas with, which is really lovely - but you can make more money and have more control setting up by yourself, so it depends what is most important to you. In my personal experience the “business” support they offer is little more than website hosting, access to payment processing and information you could easily work out yourself on the internet (eg social media guidance).

I am 20 months into my franchise and haven’t made back my initial investment yet, even though on the surface you would think my business is successful (sold out classes, positive reviews etc) - but once I have paid all of my costs and franchise fees I don’t make very much money each month. Luckily for me it was not about making money and more about having flexibility - but even so I am finding that the franchisor’s estimations and guides of what you can make were exceptionally optimistic and not very realistic - so make sure you really do your maths, and factor for quiet periods of the year, holidays you will take etc.

I was definitely naive getting into it - I under estimated the amount of time it would take me outside of running classes - going back and forth with locations, customers, maintains social media and constantly working to sell the next thing. I can’t do these things during the day when I have my children so it has taken over my evenings. Like most situations I can’t have my children at the class with me as they need too much from me, which means I have to sort out childcare - and to run more classes to make more money I have to sort out more childcare - which can be difficult, and either expensive or leave me feeling like I am asking too much from family.

All this said, it’s been a really interesting experience and I’ve met some amazing people. It’s definitely worth really thinking about the time commitment and if it is really worth getting into a franchise with the buy in costs and fees rather that just going it alone and doing your own thing where you have full control.

Hope this helps, sorry it’s long!

Can I ask which franchise you bought into please?

ThisElatlatedEel · 28/07/2025 20:05

Does any one have any thoughts on whether this is more viable if you run from a home set up?
Thanks

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