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Help! Speeding but I wasn't!

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pickledandpuzzled · 08/09/2023 15:41

Anyone know anything about ‘notice of intended prosecution’ for speeding? My black box says I wasn’t!

I was surprised as I’m careful. How do I dispute?

I've never had one before, in 35 years driving. How does it work?

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BlastedSkreet · 08/09/2023 15:43

Usually it is all set out in the letter you are sent.

Didn’t it give you more details there?

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pickledandpuzzled · 08/09/2023 15:44

My letter just asks for who was driving. It doesn't ask whether I accept it, or say what will happen.

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pickledandpuzzled · 08/09/2023 15:45

And my driving license number.

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MuthaHubbard · 08/09/2023 15:45

You have to inform them who was driving, they will then send the paperwork/full details to the nominated driver

StaySpicy · 08/09/2023 15:46

Presumably they can't actually give a fine until they know who was driving, that's why it's "intended". You have to tell them and then they will send out the details of the actual fine, after which you can disagree and send evidence or whatever.

kimchiforever · 08/09/2023 15:47

Your black box gives you the speed at every given second of every given journey and keeps records for weeks?

kimchiforever · 08/09/2023 15:48

The letter will give you the road , day and time of the offence

Furryrug · 08/09/2023 15:48

Return the form stating who was driving and they'll send whoever it was the details.
Could you have been driving through road works , where the speed limit was reduced from the normal one? That's how I got caught.

kimchiforever · 08/09/2023 15:49

Presumably whoever was driving - you are very close to! Because you share insurance

GrannyAchingsShepherdsHut · 08/09/2023 15:53

You have to tell them who was driving, then they'll send that person (you) the details, along with pics from the speed camera etc. That's the point you will be able to start objecting.

BarbaraofSeville · 08/09/2023 15:59

What do you mean 'your black box says you weren't speeding'? What information did it use to make that decision?

What information did the police use to decide you were speeding?

Can you go back to the road, or at least look on Google maps to see what the speed limit is?

TBH, I'd be surprised if the police would incorrectly accuse you of speeding, for example by artificially inflating your speed or incorrectly stating the speed limit, because they'd know it would all fall apart if it got to court.

So what's more likely is that your black box has got the speed limit wrong, as have you so, unless the signage was wrong/confusing, it's not really a road you want to go down as appealing it is basically admitting to not understanding the highway code. Ignorance is not a defence and all that.

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pickledandpuzzled · 08/09/2023 15:59

Ok, thank you. I'll send the form and see what happens.

It says I did 40 in a 30 zone.

It was me driving, I was there, and I remember seeing the van. I stopped for petrol.

My insurance black box thing remembers two weeks of journeys I think. It doesn't tell me what speed I did when, but it does tell me if I braked sharply, exceeded the speed limit, used my phone, accelerated too hard or cornered too fast.

On that journey I have a warning showing for braking sharply approaching a roundabout, but nothing for speed at any point.

I've screenshot the pages. Because they'll vanish before this is sorted out.

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kimchiforever · 08/09/2023 16:02

Oh that’s not evidence OP I am afraid

While a black box monitors your speed, it also considers other factors such as acceleration, braking, and cornering. So, occasionally driving slightly above the speeding limit shouldn't negatively impact your overall driving score. At most, you may receive a warning from your insurer to be more mindful of speed limits.

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pickledandpuzzled · 08/09/2023 16:03

You're right, @BarbaraofSeville

I don't know how the black box works. I do know it was a standard 30 zone, on an otherwise fast road. I'd been waiting to get to it as I knew there was a petrol station there.

I also assumed the police would be right.

I can't go back because it was on holiday. About 4 hours away.

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Mumofteenandtween · 08/09/2023 16:04

Can you remember where the van was? Any chance that there is a recent speed limit change there? If the black box is like my GPS it takes a long time to update when speed limits change.

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pickledandpuzzled · 08/09/2023 16:09

kimchiforever · 08/09/2023 16:02

Oh that’s not evidence OP I am afraid

While a black box monitors your speed, it also considers other factors such as acceleration, braking, and cornering. So, occasionally driving slightly above the speeding limit shouldn't negatively impact your overall driving score. At most, you may receive a warning from your insurer to be more mindful of speed limits.

You're right, that's exactly how it works, it just puts little exclamation marks where I've mis stepped.

But this isn't a little bit fast. It's 40 in a 30 zone. That's definitely worth an exclamation mark!

It literally flags up every time. I can see places on the journey later where I did go too fast- marginally. But nothing on the leg of the journey that's on the ticket.

Anyway, thank you. I'll send it in then learn more about the process.

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kimchiforever · 08/09/2023 16:13

It is not infallible and will not be taken as evidence in a speeding ticket. Fact.

kimchiforever · 08/09/2023 16:13

who was driving?

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pickledandpuzzled · 08/09/2023 16:14

Mumofteenandtween · 08/09/2023 16:04

Can you remember where the van was? Any chance that there is a recent speed limit change there? If the black box is like my GPS it takes a long time to update when speed limits change.

I guess that possible and I can't check on my black box, obviously.

I wouldn't know if it had changed as it's an unfamiliar area. I don't remember signs about it, but I wouldn't have been keeping track of that kind of sign.

Honestly I only remember the place because we marked it earlier in the holiday as the place to stop for fuel. And there was a funny bloke waving and gesticulating wildly and I wondered why. Clearly he was trying to warn the traffic.

Honestly I assumed it was right and was irritated because the man did distract me. That's what I put it down to, as I really don't speed.
But then I checked my gizmo to see what it said.

I wonder if I can check when a road speed changed?

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kimchiforever · 08/09/2023 16:14

It was an area you were very unfamiliar familiar with presumably?

kimchiforever · 08/09/2023 16:15

Ah now I understand!!

ok so you were caught by a police officer by the side the road.

not a speed camera

That is how I was caught. Your blank box won’t pick it up because no speed camera

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pickledandpuzzled · 08/09/2023 16:17

It was me, Kimchi. I've said a couple of times.

I'm just bemused because 1. I don't speed and 2. My gizmo agrees!

Obviously if I did, I shouldn't have, and would absolutely accept whatever the penalty is.

It's just odd because it's so unlike me.

I'm all about fuel conservation, air pollution, safety etc.
I hate sharp acceleration and slamming on brakes, waste, rubber particles...

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pickledandpuzzled · 08/09/2023 16:19

I don't think the gizmo cares about speed cameras, just speed limits.

Sigh. No point fretting. I know what to do now, thanks to PPs saying the information comes in the next letter.

It's just a bit discombobulating. I disapprove of myself greatly, if I did 40 in a 30!

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kimchiforever · 08/09/2023 16:21

My data also didn’t say speeding

it I didn’t dream of relying on it

I got caught speeding. That’s the long and short of it. Paid the fine but the extra insurance as a result is a pain

Furryrug · 08/09/2023 16:21

You can do a speed awareness course and it doesn't affect your insurance.

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