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Alive, dead or never alive ks1 science

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Sofasurfer23 · 06/09/2023 22:12

KS1 science question. Something alive must meet 7 criteria (uses oxygen, reproduce etc)

Trees are alive while a garden fork has never been alive.

Where do wooden objects stand, having a domestic with DH. I said he’s over thinking it, a wooden table isn’t classed as dead as the tree has been smushed together, varnish added etc while he’s saying all wooden objects are classed as dead.

help???

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bluebeardswife7 · 06/09/2023 23:01

Books are always alive

bluebeardswife7 · 06/09/2023 23:02

Unless they were written by Jeffrey Archer.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 06/09/2023 23:06

That's not KS1 science.

That's Philosophy.

Is Evidencing Commitment to the Commencement of an Existential Crisis one of the latest Ofsted descriptors for year 3?

INeedAnotherName · 06/09/2023 23:11

Sofasurfer23 · 06/09/2023 22:51

I just said I’ve never seen a wooden spoon produce baby wooden spoons so it can’t be dead and now I want to buy some tiny wooden spoons

I assume you've never seen baby pigeons either. Doesnt mean they don't exist...👀

I like your style though. Dead spoon 😂

powershowerforanhour · 06/09/2023 23:12

Buckingham Palace is made of Portland stone which is limestone which is at least partly made of the shells of marine creatures.
Therefore: dead (at least partly)

SisterMichaelsHabit · 06/09/2023 23:13

Something containing things of animal/plant origin isn't "alive" or "dead" just because it has something in it that came from a plant/animal/other living thing. It is only dead if that object as a whole used to fulfil the criteria for "alive" and now doesn't.

Can a table move? Can it reproduce? Can it sense anything? Can it grow? Can it respire? Does it excrete (poo etc)? Does it take in nutrition? Could it, as a whole table, ever have done all of these things? All 7? And no, your toddler mushing yoghurt into the table doesn't count as nutrition.

No it couldn't do these things as a whole table. The table was never alive.

soundsys · 06/09/2023 23:13

Soapyspuds · 06/09/2023 22:44

Used to be alive.

Much like if the day after you died somebody cut you up, swapped the body parts around then varnished you.

Thank you for this wonderful image at bedtime 🤣

Seagullchippy · 06/09/2023 23:18

I think the table was never alive, as a table, but it's made of matter that was once living and is now dead.

(Actually I'd say the table is alive and I'd call it Timothy Table, but that's because I do that with most things in my home, so that's beside the point 😆.)

Seagullchippy · 06/09/2023 23:20

I think the school question is talking about the materials rather than the object as an entity, so you're right about the items, but your DH is right wrt the question.

RandomButtons · 06/09/2023 23:25

Sofasurfer23 · 06/09/2023 22:53

This wins hands down! My DH and I are having a right laugh

Plastics are quite clearly all dead dinosaurs, reincarnated for modern times.

Whatswhatwhichiswhich · 06/09/2023 23:54

Now you’ve got me thinking… are wooden spoons just taxidermied (sp??) trees?

SleepingStandingUp · 06/09/2023 23:56

TheUsualChaos · 06/09/2023 22:30

I agree with your DH. If something is made from mostly wood, it goes in the dead category. I am a massive over thinker though and would probably also put plastics in the dead category as they are mostly derived from crude oil which is a fossil fuel formed from dead plant material and algae.

See I'd say plastics are never alive as they've changed form too much
The plant was alive but it's fundamental chemistry has changed from plant to crude oil to plastic in a way that tree to table hasnt

SleepingStandingUp · 06/09/2023 23:57

fairyfluf · 06/09/2023 22:55

Bread is alive isn't it? If its got yeast in

Dead surely, the live bits - yeast, wheat, seeds etc are no longer alive

SleepingStandingUp · 06/09/2023 23:57

Whatswhatwhichiswhich · 06/09/2023 23:54

Now you’ve got me thinking… are wooden spoons just taxidermied (sp??) trees?

Omg

DiddlyDonut · 06/09/2023 23:58

Never alive.

DiddlyDonut · 06/09/2023 23:59

Actually, no. Dead I think is correct.

I can see your reasoning for never alive though.

WandaWonder · 07/09/2023 00:02

Wood, yeast, carbon, coal, seaweed, pumice stone, talcum powder, chalk (some random things I have also though of now) would be technically now dead I suppose

ErrolTheDragon · 07/09/2023 00:04

WandaWonder · 07/09/2023 00:02

Wood, yeast, carbon, coal, seaweed, pumice stone, talcum powder, chalk (some random things I have also though of now) would be technically now dead I suppose

Edited

Not pumice, that's a volcanic rock.

Awittyfool · 07/09/2023 00:05

SleepingStandingUp · 06/09/2023 23:57

Dead surely, the live bits - yeast, wheat, seeds etc are no longer alive

You get the nutrition because it’s made of once alive things though? They harness the energy of the sun in chemical form which we can utilise as energy as well other non alive things like iron, calcium etc.

ErrolTheDragon · 07/09/2023 00:07

And seaweed is alive ... until it isn't.

Cocorico22 · 07/09/2023 00:12

omg can someone check these please:
cheese
yoghurt (probiotic with live cultures obvs)
RAAC
vampires
schrodinger’s cat

ErrolTheDragon · 07/09/2023 00:16

cheese - blue - live. Pasteurised ordinary - dead. American cheese slices ... never alive
yoghurt (probiotic with live cultures obvs) - live
RAAC - never alive
vampires - undead
schrodinger’s cat - never alive, it's a thought experiment.Grin

VeniVidiWeeWee · 07/09/2023 00:18

And some cultures believe that swords have a spirit,or soul, and are therefore alive.
As someone mentioned upthread, this is philosophy, not science.

Cocorico22 · 07/09/2023 00:23

ErrolTheDragon · 07/09/2023 00:16

cheese - blue - live. Pasteurised ordinary - dead. American cheese slices ... never alive
yoghurt (probiotic with live cultures obvs) - live
RAAC - never alive
vampires - undead
schrodinger’s cat - never alive, it's a thought experiment.Grin

You’re the hero we don’t deserve, thank you 🙏

weirdoboelady · 07/09/2023 00:28

If you think a wooden spoon is dead, are you wearing a dead 100% cotton t shirt?

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