Would this pitch work in the UK also?

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Just reading about a recent Republican candidates' debate. Vivek Ramaswamy - a seemingly pushy biotech entrepreneur wrapped up his contribution with the following statement:

“God is real. There are two genders. Fossil fuels are a requirement for human prosperity. Reverse racism is racism. An open border is not a border. Parents determine the education of their children. The nuclear family is the greatest form of governance known to man. Capitalism lifts us up from poverty.”

Would a candidate in the UK making the same pitch be a refreshing relief to our increasingly beige candidates or just attempting to take us back 50 years?

I think many would fall for it, yes.

There's always people willing to be spoonfed trite bullshit. The British populace have proved they react positively to unfounded sound bites. Especially if they justify inate selfish, short term thinking.

In the UK this pitch would fail at the first hurdle.
God is real is not something that most voters in the UK want to hear.
And of course, which God is he referring to?

Exactly. It would be the God bit that would mean he didn’t get a hearing. People are still implying Tony Blair was being controlled from Rome, after he converted (after he left office).

The first sentence alone would put me off.

In fact I disagree with many of those sentences.

The same guy said trump was the greatest president of the century so either he's incredibly stupid or he's happy to come out with outrageous lies to get himself noticed.

Either way he's another embarrassingly shit candidate for president.

That particular candidate or the style?

He/she is certainly nailing their colours to the mast.

“God is real."
That would go down badly. God mongerer!! Leave me alone & don't try to convert me is how a large minority would take it.

"There are two genders. Fossil fuels are a requirement for human prosperity. Reverse racism is racism. An open border is not a border. "
Bit of whatever would be largest response to those. Some rightwinters would like these . Ah, a mate of JRM, is what many would think, and no further.

"Parents determine the education of their children. "
That would go down badly, state abdicating its responsibilities. Privatising pre 16 education would be a nuclear button. Tsk tsk.

"The nuclear family is the greatest form of governance known to man. "
What the F does that mean? If it = intolerance for any other kind of family, does it mean woman parents don't count? Then it will go down more badly than well. People here don't even say "nuclear family" so they won't understand what the phrase even means. The Brits may be intolerant but they aren't That intolerant.

"Capitalism lifts us up from poverty.”
Reviving Mrs. Thatcher's views? I believe her legacy is still rather controversial.

This. Everything else would get a particular set of conservatives or old fashioned types.

But the majority of the UK are not religious. Muslims would likely know he didn't mean Allah. And none of us want to be governed by a highly Christian PM.

I actually think it would go down well in this country. Which is why I'm quietly planning my new colony on the moon.

Lost me at the first sentence

Religion has a malign effect already in the UK and I certainly don’t want evangelical christianity to get more of a hold than it already has.

Well he either daisy what people want to hear and has a chance of ousting Trump or he tells the truth and gets nowhere.

I can’t see that being popular. I’m struggling to see a single part I agree with.

God isn’t real to me, whilst many people in the UK are loosely Christian I don’t think it influences choice of political candidates. Being too religious is definitely a bad sign.

Two sexes rather than genders. Biological facts rather than social constructs.

Fossil fuels are killing the human race. We need to invest in greener energy.

An open border can still be a border. Hello Schengen region.

Is this some sort of fifties vision of a nuclear family where manly men rule the roost and women simper and fetch. What is best for children is that the adults in their lives Co operate to help them achieve positive outcomes. Whether they are together or apart.

Wealth redistribution through taxation lifts people out of poverty ensuring a welfare system and medical care.

Cheap rhetoric designed to pull people in and then the nasty hardline stuff gets presented. No.

There's always a huge group that live by traditional values and want the world to go back to it.
Most of the world lives quite traditionally - nuclear family, religion is a big part of life, they protect their cultural identity and pass traditions on and are hardworking.
There are many positives about those things but we have a more inclusive approach in the west so when we see this, it looks like they're rejecting that inclusivity.

The UK (thankfully) is less conservative than the US. I can't see that working

Some of the messaging would work for a certain population segment (the Farage voters, for example). But (fortunately) there isn't the same overlap in the UK as the US between fundamentalist Christianity and conservative/traditional values. I suspect most of your Farage voters or your Britain First followers are not even church going in the 'we go once a year for Christmas eve mass' sense. Whereas in the US, conservative politics and quite extremist forms of Christianity do link tightly together.

Whilst I disagree with most of the statements, I rather like the unequivocal nature of them.

It's clear what he believes and you will know what you are getting if you vote for him!

With some people, but not the majority thankfully. Otherwise parties like the Christian Party and Scottish Family Party would be more popular.

It's clear what he believes

Actually it really isn't clear and it's all open to interpretation anyway.
Vivek Ramaswamy describes himself as a Monotheistic Hindu, I doubt that his understanding of God is real is remotely the same as the understanding of a fundamentalist evangelical Christian in America.

Soundbites in my experience are worthless.

Maybe I'm naïve, but I'd hope the UK public wouldn't be behind someone so pro-Putin.

Lost me at God is real.

Thank you for taking the time to comment.

God is clearly real for orthodox/fundamentalist practitioners across a range of faiths. In 2023, only a minority of people see themselves as Christian in the UK.

The two sexes is biological fact and will appeal to women who feel disadvantaged by the apparent preference for gender as a defining characteristic.

Support for traditional family units including support for unpaid carers and time for parents to take time off with pre-school children, would seem popular to me.

Similarly, some consultation with parents about potentially contentious subject matter might play well for a number of parents.

I realise that his Venn diagram of potential supporters may look like a collection of disconnected circles and he may make little progress, but will be interested to see if he goes further.

Ah I see you believe this bullshit and hoped we all did too