Don't you wish that just once a gender neutral word, name, colour, whatever...

[CurlewKate]

..was a traditionally feminine word, term, colour whatever that became gender neutral? Because that's not something that ever happens. It only goes the other way round. I wonder why?

Do you have an example?

I confess I'm struggling to understand what you mean

Do you mean in the way that the name Charlie is unisex but is more masculine?

Sorry trying to understand what you mean and that's the closest understanding I have

OP means that gender-neutral always means traditionally male.
Names: Riley, Harley, Charlie, Sam.
Words: mate, guys, sportsmanship (one we are seeing a lot today in reference to a group of women).

But women are viewed as less so why would you give your boy a typically female name? You are saying he's less than the other boys.

Being told you are acting like a girl has never been a compliment.

Once you understand the reason why you don't see female(ish) gender neutral names used for boys then you can start to understand just why feminism is so important.

They exist; just less popular. I know a male Lauren and a male Kim (both white British to dismiss any preconceptions)

Unisex clothing is never, ever, womens sizing or cut. It's men's sizing and men's cuts. Whoever thinks that women and men are the same size and shape? (For that reason, I don't buy from Lucy and Yak clothing, that and their clothes make you look either like a toddler or cbeebies presenter.)

Sorry-didn't make myself clear.
Unisex names-always boy's names that are used by girls.
Unisex baby things-always beige, blue, green with animals. Never pink or flowery.
There's a whole thread about "guys".

It looks like women's sizing with a 10 inch difference between waist and hips. I can't imagine it on a man.

Blue is traditionally a feminine colour, beige and green always unisex I'd say and animals aren't masculine. DS had a flowery shirt as a child, don't agree on children's clothes at all.

This. Boy is a promotion, girl is a demotion.

Once you see it, all the 'cute' Jacks, Charlies and Sams start to look a lot like misogyny.

A lot of nature names are truly unisex IME...eg, River, Bracken, Oakley...just as likely to be a little boy as a little girl.

I also know a couple of boy "Willows" that I'd say started off more feminine.

Nailed it.

This. I'm known as a trouble causer at work, because every time we get new safety gear, I'll complain because we don't buy women's fit. We're told it's unisex, which means 'fits men with no attempt whatsoever to tailor for women'

So my shorter female colleagues have fleeces and polo shirts that reach their knees and those of us who have female hips have to have fleeces that barely do up over our hips where they finish yet are stupidly massive on our shoulders.

We wouldn't buy women's fit for the men, yet it's somehow OK to make women wear mens clothes because the label says 'unisex'?

Lesley, Hilary, Shirley.

Used to get yellow clothing for babies a lot, you don’t see that so much nowadays.

I never found out the sex if my three and got a lot of unisex clothing.

I do notice toys and even clothes that are red, yellow, green, blue etc. are marketed to boys but girls seem to only have pink or at a push purple

and those awful pink tools

then we hear cries of ''yeah but I Iove feeling girlie and want to be all princess'

Honestly the idea that colours have a gender is utterly ludicrous

These were originally boys names which became girls names, not the other way round. Not sure about Lesley but definitely Shirley and Hilary.. Kim, mentioned previously, also originally a boy's name.

See also non- binary women/girls wanting mastectomies to get a more male chest.

They should buy both fits. I'd say men's would fit more people though if you had to pick, the men and the narrow hipped women.

I often buy mens as it can be a better fit on me. Women's tops that fit my chest are too wide at the bottom so look like a tent (I'm only talking about a 10!). Women's clothes seem to be cut for one shape of woman only.

I'm surprised that people are disagreeing or not understanding tbh. It's totally obvious. Girls and women choosing to do/play with/wear things that are or were traditionally male, or having male names, is viewed completely differently from boys and men with traditionally female things. So the male things become 'gender neutral', but the female things and names remain female and attract ridicule or disapproval if used by boys and men.

Surely nobody would claim that wearing blue or trousers or being called Sam are only for boys? But how many people would dress their son in pink and dresses and call him a shortened name which theoretically could be the shortening of a boys' name but is actually traditionally used for girls?

Girls can wear jeans and cut their hair short
Wear shirts and boots 'cause it's okay to be a boy
But for a boy to look like a girl is degrading
'Cause you think that being a girl is degrading

Nurse, Nanny, babysitter?

But how many people would dress their son in pink and dresses and call him a shortened name which theoretically could be the shortening of a boys' name but is actually traditionally used for girls?

My dc like and have always liked pink, they dress in it regularly. And dh's nickname is one traditionally used for girls.

Also, as someone said above, many of the nature names are not originally male.

Sorry, not seeing it.