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Learning to draw - useless

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biggerboat · 04/08/2023 08:25

Morning!
Is there a magic bullet for learning to draw? Or do some people (me) lack the art gene.
I just cannot seem to get it - I've looked at loads of tutorials, tried drawing for Right side of the brain etc, but my attempts look like a babies scrawl.
I would really like to be able to draw/paint but it's not happening.

Any tips (even if it's give up you're a lost cause) gratefully received.

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winewolfhowls · 04/08/2023 08:35

I'm dreadful too but when I have done something more abstract (weird) rather than something realistic my artist friend has been generous with praise. Maybe you just need to find your style or subject matter.

Also my sil takes art classes and again not naturally good but the teacher is great and she has produced some great stuff. Expensive lessons though!

Most importantly, I'm of the opinion and increasingly so as I get older that hobbies should be for fun and not for being good at. Meet friends,have a laugh.

biggerboat · 04/08/2023 08:38

Thank you winewolf. I do just want to do it as a pastime so maybe I need to embrace tge scrawl 😀

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frozendaisy · 04/08/2023 08:40

Drawing on the right side of your brain is a hindrance rather than a help as far as I can tell.

Draw what you see.
Measure measure measure. Use the full arm length pencil approach

Start small, easy, so still life with a box and apple. Get a strong light source. Put shadows in it make objects look solid.

Then build up. Try drawing a mug, cup and saucer, a flower.

You are unlikely to be able to draw a person say, or a cat, straight away.

Use graphite pencils, 2B for most of the lines, 3/4B for shading. Get a good sharpener, rubber and putty rubber. All you need to begin with.

Don't overthink
Draw what you see.
Keep it simple.
Enjoy it.

Everyone can draw.

PerspiringElizabeth · 04/08/2023 08:42

You just need to keep practising. I always feel an absolute rage of uselessness when learning something new. I hate learning but like being able to do stuff. I took up watercolours in covid and spent a few months feeling like you, I painted most days for a couple of years and got pretty good. I haven’t had time for the last year or so and really miss it 😢 started drawing a couple of years ago andsaw lots of improvement but again, out of the habit now. You’ve just got to practise! YouTube is my teacher of choice.

biggerboat · 04/08/2023 08:49

Thank you all, that's encouraging. Maybe I am expecting too much too soon.
I shall keep at it

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Mabelface · 04/08/2023 08:51

Draw every day and you'll see an improvement over time. It really is practice.

biggerboat · 04/08/2023 08:52

Frozendaisy - could you tell me why you think ' Right side of brain' is a hindrance? Just out of interest

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biggerboat · 04/08/2023 08:54

@PerspiringElizabeth any particular youtube tutor you would recommend?

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GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 04/08/2023 09:03

Sorry, OP, no help at all, but speaking as someone whose art teacher used to write just one word on my reports - ‘Weak’ - I sympathise. I used to feel so envious of other girls at school who were drawing ponies - that actually looked like ponies - all over their rough books.

I long ago stopped trying, and concentrated on the things I could do, and do better than some of those who could draw perfect ponies out of their heads.
Should add that I could sometimes manage a vaguely passable drawing of some still-life right in front of me, but anything out of my head, absolutely not if my life depended on it.

Rocknrollstar · 04/08/2023 09:07

Buy one of those books that has lots of examples for you to copy and practise. Draw everyday. Drawing well is a matter of looking and seeing.

fusspot23 · 04/08/2023 09:07

I absolutely cannot draw. Even the most basic sketches look like a toddler has done them. I get so frustrated.

However I love to paint especially with watercolours and I find I can produce some ok paintings even though I can't draw for shit. I think it's because the paint creates a lot of the effect for you then you just need to add a few basic bits to make it look like an object. For example a tree might just be a blend of colours together in a big blob but add a trunk and a few branches and voila...it suddenly looks like a very pretty tree.

Worth a go if you're interested in painting as well as drawing. I do believe it's something some people just can do (a bit like some people having beautiful handwriting and others not).

biggerboat · 04/08/2023 09:09

@GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER I hear you.
I'm not sure why I'm so set on doing something I find so difficult. I thought that perhaps because I have such a desire that maybe there is an artist waiting to be unlocked, but I think I'm just deluded 😅

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biggerboat · 04/08/2023 09:10

@fusspot23 thank you.

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AmandaHoldensLips · 04/08/2023 09:14

Draw what you see. Not what you THINK you see.

When you look at something, your brain fills in a lot of the picture. It tells you that you are looking at, say, an apple or a tree.

Draw what your eyes SEE. Not what your brain tells you is there.

There's a huge difference and once you get the hang of it, it's a revelation.

And remember EVERYBODY CAN DRAW. It's just a matter of style!

ChopOrNot · 04/08/2023 09:18

Youtube videos.

Start really simple. Trace outlines to start with if it helps.

Start with things like lips, eyes, eggs, cricket balls.

Learn about shading, blending, toning. Use different pencils (HB,B,2B 3B) and get yourself a few blending sticks, mouldable eraser and a tono eraser.

Make the darker things darjer than you think they should be.

I taught myself this way during lock down and sold about £4k of art (largely charcoal drawings) on Etsy. I could not draw for toffee before then.

Kirsty Partidge was good as a YouTuber.

LifeofBrienne · 04/08/2023 09:29

What @AmandaHoldensLips said. If you’re trying to e.g. copy a picture of a horse and it comes out wrong that’s because your brain thinks it knows how a horse’s legs go, rather than looking properly at the shapes in front of your eyes, breaking them down into e.g. triangles and angles.

I’ve heard it suggested to try turning a picture upside down and copying it to try and make your brain look properly rather than relying on preconceptions!

onefinemess · 04/08/2023 09:35

Are you striving for photorealistic pieces or actual artistic expression?

The former takes practice, the latter takes ego. You cannot be an expressive artist without ego, you must believe that your vision IS worth something. That your thoughts ARE worthy of a physical representation. If you don't have anything you want to say, then your work, your expressive work, won't mean anything.

Grimbleton · 04/08/2023 09:37

Draw every day
Keep a sketchbook that is just for you - so who cares if some drawings don’t turn out so well and you have a record over time seeing your improvements.
alphonso dunn is very good on YouTube (and has a book/workbook set if you like his style of practicing)
skillshare and Domestika are very good for tutorials (about £10 a month each and usually have free trial periods)

Mousehoel · 04/08/2023 09:40

I follow an artist on FB, she has several
free tutorials where she leads you through how to draw.
Bonny Snowdon Academy
Might something like this help?

Free Coloured Pencil Tutorials

Sign up to my free Coloured Pencil tutorials to start developing your drawing skills today.

https://www.bonnysnowdonacademy.com/free-coloured-pencil-tutorials

AuntieJune · 04/08/2023 09:49

AmandaHoldensLips · 04/08/2023 09:14

Draw what you see. Not what you THINK you see.

When you look at something, your brain fills in a lot of the picture. It tells you that you are looking at, say, an apple or a tree.

Draw what your eyes SEE. Not what your brain tells you is there.

There's a huge difference and once you get the hang of it, it's a revelation.

And remember EVERYBODY CAN DRAW. It's just a matter of style!

This.

When you draw you should not be thinking 'is this a good picture yet, does it look like the thing, can I frame it'

You should become intensely absorbed with the process and not give a shit what the finished product looks like. Because creativity is not about going step 1, 2, 3 there you go, it's about discovering and being in the moment.

Over time you might be pleased with the outcome but this is almost a by-product of what the process should do to your brain. Look and look and look and see if you can replicate what you see. Experiment with different techniques and mediums.

I do life drawing and sometimes start trying to sketch the model as a series of shapes, or start with one flowing line, or use zig zags or dots or anything that occurs to me.

Commit to not caring what the outcome looks like for a while - sit and time yourself to do 5 sketches of the same thing, timed for two minutes at a time, turning the objects slightly or changing from pencil to charcoal etc. Just pump out those pictures and see what feels interesting without bringing judgments about how 'good' it is.

Plexie · 04/08/2023 09:52

What are you drawing with - pencil?

I eventually got the hang of drawing as an adult, after attending (many) art classes which teach drawing with charcoal/chalk, not pencil. A large part of drawing is actually observation, not mark-making. In reality there is rarely a visible thin line delineating one object from another, which is why it's difficult to draw a representation of real life with pencil.

If you really look at an object, you don't see a line outlining each element, you see blocks of colour, which change in tone as light falls on the different areas of the object, giving it visible form and shape. So when you draw with charcoal, you don't draw lines (well, a few light ones to start with, to block where everything goes), you use the side of the charcoal to create the 'blocks' of different tones, which eventually form the whole object. (You can also smudge out charcoal to reposition your drawing as you go along. It's a great tool for learning but not for producing lasting pictures.)

Learning to "draw what you see" not "draw what you know is there" is also important. Again, that's partly about there not being a 'line' between objects, but also not thinking about each object individually, but seeing everything as a mish-mash of shapes next to each other and how they relate to each other. The concept of negative space is very important - it's the 'empty' space we think is unimportant because there's nothing solid to draw. But it's a shape in itself and learning to look and draw it accurately helps to put all the shapes of the solid objects in the right place and make the drawing look realistic.

For example, on my desk there's a mug, some Post-Its and a pen. If I were to "draw what I know is there" I'd probably start with the mug: curved circle for the top, two sides joined at the bottom to form the base, and a handle. Post-Its would be rectangles, partly hidden by the mug. Pen on top.

But if I observe my mini still life, and give equal thought to all the shapes and not just the ones that form solid objects, I see that the hole formed by the mug handle is a distinct shape, and through it I can see a corner of the Post-Its, which splits the handle hole into two distinct shapes: a small section of the Post-Its and a larger section of the table top. If I get the placement of the corner of the Post-Its in the right place in relation to where it appears through the empty space of the handle, it will help me place the rest of the Post-It notes protruding from behind the mug. But the shape of the table top seen through the handle is just as important as the solid object, and sometimes the shape of negative space between parts of objects is more distinctive than the solid object, and drawing the negative space helps to get the placement right.

Shadow is also important, but I've already written an essay!

biggerboat · 04/08/2023 10:16

Thank you all very much for the advice/tips. Lots of info to process there.
I'm going read through again and try out the suggestions/tutorials/different materials. I'm really grateful for the input.

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TeaPotPetPig · 04/08/2023 10:24

I think of it as a third skill to learn, after reading and writing. We had to work hard to learn those, but we were so young we don't remember the struggle. It's just another way of collecting and recording your thoughts in a unique to you, visual way.

Having said that, Betty Edwards's books sit in my bookcase, awaiting my attention. I just need the time and the motivation to practise.

BobShark · 04/08/2023 10:27

I recently did an evening course in drawing and painting, basic instruction over 10 weeks which was enough to give me the basics.

It really is practice though, depending on what you like to draw, don't be afraid of getting out a rupee and marking the page into sections to help composition.

There was a book I had decades ago which was a challenge to draw one thing a day, that was fun and a nice achievement at the end of a year.

I'm a designer, so though my talents in drawing and painting are limited I do have a good eye for composition and light etc.

I also found charcoal a really fun medium as it looked good with little skill required.

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