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Nursery home fees

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thisisasurvivor · 26/07/2023 22:42

Hello all

I was wondering if anyone has any advice on this

My father transferred his house to my siblings 8 years ago

He died a few months back

I got a bill last week for his short time in a nursery home

After he transferred his home to my siblings he had no savings and no assets

Can I ask if I should now pay for bill?
If they will accept a small payment each week as I am struggling with money at the minute

Many thanks

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thisisasurvivor · 26/07/2023 23:29

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bernieaa · 26/07/2023 23:30

Why did they accept him without payment?

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thisisasurvivor · 26/07/2023 23:31

He was on state pension and attendance allowance at the time

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SausageMonkey2 · 26/07/2023 23:31

If he moved it with foresight to needing care they can take this into account as deprivation of assets.

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thisisasurvivor · 26/07/2023 23:32

What does that mean?

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CatusFlatus · 26/07/2023 23:33

You are not liable for the bill. If there is nothing in his estate then tell them that and that's the end of it. Ignore any pressure put on you to pay.

Babyroobs · 26/07/2023 23:34

Maybe your sibling should pay if your dad deprived himself of assets and therefore wasn't able to pay for his Nursing care?

hatgirl · 26/07/2023 23:36

How long ago he transferred his home across is irrelevant when it comes to residential care home/ nursing home fees.

Who arranged for him to go into nursing care and who sent you the bill?

Babyroobs · 26/07/2023 23:38

As above there is no limit to the number of years a local authority can go back to in considering deprivation of assets. When funding for care is considered, they ask on the financial assessment form whether you have owned a home.

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thisisasurvivor · 26/07/2023 23:38

SausageMonkey2 · 26/07/2023 23:31

If he moved it with foresight to needing care they can take this into account as deprivation of assets.

As far as I am aware it was over 8 years ago

He did it as my siblings were struggling for money and it seemed the right thing to do

They had my details so the bill came my way

Was a shock

Just wondering. If I can pay monthly maybe over two years now?

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CatusFlatus · 26/07/2023 23:38

The local authority will be liable to pay if he has no assets.
If they think he gave away his house to avoid paying for care then the local authority might pursue the now owner of his house. They might not succeed after 8 years though and if it's a relatively small amount they might not bother as it will cost them legal fees to do it.

CatusFlatus · 26/07/2023 23:39

thisisasurvivor · 26/07/2023 23:38

As far as I am aware it was over 8 years ago

He did it as my siblings were struggling for money and it seemed the right thing to do

They had my details so the bill came my way

Was a shock

Just wondering. If I can pay monthly maybe over two years now?

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Do not pay it. It's not your responsibility.

hatgirl · 26/07/2023 23:40

He did it as my siblings were struggling for money and it seemed the right thing to do

How did transferring his home into their name solve their money issues?

Where was he living between transferring the ownership of his property and going into care?

CatusFlatus · 26/07/2023 23:41

hatgirl · 26/07/2023 23:36

How long ago he transferred his home across is irrelevant when it comes to residential care home/ nursing home fees.

Who arranged for him to go into nursing care and who sent you the bill?

Correct. It's the reason he did it that matters but, after 8 years it is harder to prove it was done to avoid care costs than if it was done a shorter time before care became needed.

hatgirl · 26/07/2023 23:43

They might not succeed after 8 years though and if it's a relatively small amount they might not bother as it will cost them legal fees to do it

The local authority I work for would pursue it if there was a clear cut case of deprivation. They also have in-house lawyers who are paid an annual salary so its no skin off their nose from a cost point of view.

CatusFlatus · 26/07/2023 23:45

hatgirl · 26/07/2023 23:40

He did it as my siblings were struggling for money and it seemed the right thing to do

How did transferring his home into their name solve their money issues?

Where was he living between transferring the ownership of his property and going into care?

These questions are relevant but the OP is not liable at all so it's nothing to do with her.
OP just reply to the care home that your father had no assets and they will have to bill the local authority (social services).
Social Services will investigate but it's nothing to do with the OP.

rcat74 · 26/07/2023 23:45

Please do not pay this unless you signed an agreement with the home to do so. If you did not sign, you are not responsible.

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thisisasurvivor · 26/07/2023 23:46

Ahhh I see ok

Sorry for daft questions was really unsure what to do

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thisisasurvivor · 26/07/2023 23:46

rcat74 · 26/07/2023 23:45

Please do not pay this unless you signed an agreement with the home to do so. If you did not sign, you are not responsible.

I didn't sign anything

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CatusFlatus · 26/07/2023 23:47

hatgirl · 26/07/2023 23:43

They might not succeed after 8 years though and if it's a relatively small amount they might not bother as it will cost them legal fees to do it

The local authority I work for would pursue it if there was a clear cut case of deprivation. They also have in-house lawyers who are paid an annual salary so its no skin off their nose from a cost point of view.

This doesn't change the fact that it's nothing to do with the OP.
The OP doesn't have the house.
If the local authority want to pursue it they can but it's nothing to do with the OP.

hatgirl · 26/07/2023 23:49

CatusFlatus · 26/07/2023 23:47

This doesn't change the fact that it's nothing to do with the OP.
The OP doesn't have the house.
If the local authority want to pursue it they can but it's nothing to do with the OP.

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We don't actually know who the bill is from.

I asked who arranged the care and who the bill was from earlier and haven't had an answer to either question

CatusFlatus · 26/07/2023 23:51

hatgirl · 26/07/2023 23:43

They might not succeed after 8 years though and if it's a relatively small amount they might not bother as it will cost them legal fees to do it

The local authority I work for would pursue it if there was a clear cut case of deprivation. They also have in-house lawyers who are paid an annual salary so its no skin off their nose from a cost point of view.

In house lawyers still cost money and can only do a fixed number of hours work. When resources are limited they will prioritise larger debts and those that are easier to prove.

bernieaa · 27/07/2023 00:26

OP have you sold the house?

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