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Andrew Malkinson conviction quashed

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LunaNorth · 26/07/2023 18:14

I listened to the podcast 17 Years only the other week. I’m so pleased that this man has had his innocence acknowledged, but horrified that the perpetrator of such a heinous crime is still free, and his victim hasn’t had justice.

How can anyone come to terms with spending 17 years of their life stolen?

The mind boggles. It’s my worst nightmare.

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ruffler45 · 27/07/2023 09:34

Alexandra2001 · 27/07/2023 09:12

Why is Burnham associated with this? ....he has never been responsible for the appeals court process and has only been mayor for the last 5 years.

Strange subject to try and score politic points on.

GMP have recently been accused of raping a woman in a police cell and covering it up, Devon & Cornwall Polce chief forced to resign, over sex allegations, then we have the mess that is in the Met.... seems Police corruption goes much deeper than one ex MP, esp when their party isn't even in Govt & hence cannot instigate any change.

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Police commissioner who keeps his head down when there is any bad news he might be associated with.

This bit

SerendipityJane · 27/07/2023 09:38

It's worrying really when you're an innocent person, you still have something to worry about if someone decides to name you as a perpetrator and the police are wanting to get the case sorted quickly.

Innocence isn't something the Home Office recognises. When they were caught illegally retaining DNA and fingerprints from cleared suspects, their stance was "but they might do something in future, so that's OK then". When courts forced them to delete the data they claimed it was "too difficult".

We treat the innocent worse than the guilty sometimes.

AutumnCrow · 27/07/2023 09:41

Maybe Andy Burham could come out of his office and offer some actual assistance to Andy Malkinson, eg from his Mayoral discretionary fund? For his immediate living expenses.

And sort him out with a tenancy - because it’s going to be a bit tricky what with Andy’s work history not lending itself to references and salaried employment right this minute.

SerendipityJane · 27/07/2023 09:44

AutumnCrow · 27/07/2023 09:41

Maybe Andy Burham could come out of his office and offer some actual assistance to Andy Malkinson, eg from his Mayoral discretionary fund? For his immediate living expenses.

And sort him out with a tenancy - because it’s going to be a bit tricky what with Andy’s work history not lending itself to references and salaried employment right this minute.

If I were him, I wouldn't want to stay in the UK. The police have a proven history of not liking people who show them up.

Twyford · 27/07/2023 09:48

AutumnCrow · 27/07/2023 09:41

Maybe Andy Burham could come out of his office and offer some actual assistance to Andy Malkinson, eg from his Mayoral discretionary fund? For his immediate living expenses.

And sort him out with a tenancy - because it’s going to be a bit tricky what with Andy’s work history not lending itself to references and salaried employment right this minute.

He's presumably got somewhere to live as he was released a couple of years ago.

StefanosHill · 27/07/2023 09:52

He felt kidnapped by the state

He speaks well enough to write a book, should he wish

Twyford · 27/07/2023 09:56

If the forensic archive hadn't kept samples of the victim's clothes (that the GMP subsequently unlawfully destroyed) then AM would be unable to prove his innocence and would have died in jail.

Just for accuracy, he wouldn't have died in jail: he was released as part of normal custody processes in December 2020.

JayAlfredPrufrock · 27/07/2023 10:04

I just can’t get over the fact that he might have to pay 17 years bed and board.

ZombieBeryl · 27/07/2023 10:19

He was interviewed on Radio 4 Today this morning after 8am. It was a very moving interview. He said he's currently on benefits. He has a support dog, presumably for his mental health. An absolute tragedy both for him and the female victim.

StormShadow · 27/07/2023 10:43

JayAlfredPrufrock · 27/07/2023 10:04

I just can’t get over the fact that he might have to pay 17 years bed and board.

Maybe this case could be a catalyst for change.

Brefugee · 27/07/2023 10:56

onefinemess · 27/07/2023 07:06

Yeah, and people today want men convicted without needing ANY evidence, just a report and a woman saying it happened is enough for most on here.

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If it's so easy to put rapists in jail you wouldn't thing the conviction rate would be so bad.

This GMP?

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/kate-green-npcc-greater-manchester-police-met-england-b2270687.html

SerendipityJane · 27/07/2023 11:44

StormShadow · 27/07/2023 10:43

Maybe this case could be a catalyst for change.

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Why ? Labour were quite happy with it when they were in power.

SerendipityJane · 27/07/2023 11:48

The real tragedy of cases like this is the fact the the real perpetrator is still out there ? Who knows how many more women (the original gansta type) have been raped by someone who feels emboldened by some poor sod doing their porridge ? Bearing in mind with someone banged up for the crime, that's one less person the police are looking for.

After Timothy Evans was hanged for John Christies murders, Christie went on to kill again (twice if memory serves). That alone should be a mic drop moment for the death penalty movement.

Dervel · 27/07/2023 12:22

I’m particularly impressed about his comments showing empathy for the victim. It shows it is possible to accept miscarriages of justice can and do happen, without throwing rape victims under the bus in discussions around the issue. It’s refreshing based on what he said that no-one is questioning the validity of her status as a survivor of rape.

We as a society owe a tremendous amount to both him and the victim. This must be harrowing for her too, given that on top of the crime itself she made an error in picking him out of a line up. She must feel awful. I hope she is ok too.

wayyour · 27/07/2023 12:27

"This is far beyond 'witness ID'."

"If the forensic archive hadn't kept samples of the victim's clothes (that the GMP subsequently unlawfully destroyed) then AM would be unable to prove his innocence and would have died in jail."

I hadn't heard any of this! Shocking isn't it.

Eggonmychips · 27/07/2023 12:28

He was on the radio this morning. If he wants compensation he has to fight all the way. If he wins he has to pay a big chunk to the prison service to pay for his board and lodging over anll those years. Absolutely fucking disgusting. I’m not normally an ‘I’m ashamed of our country’ person, but jeez, that made me disgusted at our country.

wayyour · 27/07/2023 12:39

Jesus that's appalling @Eggonmychips

Board and lodgings to HMP indeed! I don't even understand how or why that works. If he had actually been guilty he would never have needed to repay on leaving after finishing his sentence.

I hope he receives a lot of assistance in getting his life back together.

Eggonmychips · 27/07/2023 12:56

onefinemess · 27/07/2023 07:06

Yeah, and people today want men convicted without needing ANY evidence, just a report and a woman saying it happened is enough for most on here.

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Oh don’t be so ridiculous. If you have to lie like this you don’t have a case. I presume you work for the GMP if you think fabrication around unfounded claims constitutes a valid opinion.

Eggonmychips · 27/07/2023 12:57

bellac11 · 27/07/2023 08:15

So where is he living and how is he funding himself, I suppose he doesnt even get probation support because he's not on probation

He’s living on benefits.

SerendipityJane · 27/07/2023 12:57

wayyour · 27/07/2023 12:39

Jesus that's appalling @Eggonmychips

Board and lodgings to HMP indeed! I don't even understand how or why that works. If he had actually been guilty he would never have needed to repay on leaving after finishing his sentence.

I hope he receives a lot of assistance in getting his life back together.

I was disgusted by it over 20 years ago when it was applied to the Birmingham 6 and Guildford 4. It's nothing new.

The only new thing now is the shades of innocence applied to compensation for people wrongfully jailed.

https://falselyaccused.co.uk/compensation-for-wrongful-imprisonment/

Compensation For Wrongful Imprisonment - Falsely Accused

https://falselyaccused.co.uk/compensation-for-wrongful-imprisonment

Eggonmychips · 27/07/2023 12:59

onefinemess · 27/07/2023 08:13

That's fucking disgusting.

So basically the state can put anybody they like in prison and then just walk away if that person is found innocent?

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Oh it worse than that. As I said above, even if he does fight them compensation and win, he then has to give a big chunk to the prison service to pay them back for the cost of his imprisonment there.

Blossomtoes · 27/07/2023 13:36

JayAlfredPrufrock · 27/07/2023 10:04

I just can’t get over the fact that he might have to pay 17 years bed and board.

I know. My jaw dropped when I heard that. It’s enraged me.

AutumnCrow · 27/07/2023 14:28

Twyford · 27/07/2023 09:56

If the forensic archive hadn't kept samples of the victim's clothes (that the GMP subsequently unlawfully destroyed) then AM would be unable to prove his innocence and would have died in jail.

Just for accuracy, he wouldn't have died in jail: he was released as part of normal custody processes in December 2020.

He was given a life sentence and was out on licence. He could have been recalled at any point to serve the remainder of his sentence in prison.

He said himself how he was "not free" following his release with his name on the sex offenders register and under "tight supervision" by police and probation.

https://news.sky.com/story/andrew-malkinson-rape-conviction-of-man-who-spent-17-years-in-prison-overturned-12927618

Andrew Malkinson: Rape conviction of man who spent 17 years in prison overturned

Fresh DNA evidence has emerged linking another suspect to the crime.

https://news.sky.com/story/andrew-malkinson-rape-conviction-of-man-who-spent-17-years-in-prison-overturned-12927618

StormShadow · 27/07/2023 15:11

SerendipityJane · 27/07/2023 11:44

Why ? Labour were quite happy with it when they were in power.

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Because of people being pissed off about it. There's a reason I didn't mention political parties.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 27/07/2023 15:30

The bed & board thing is absurd. The poor man was wrongfully deprived of his freedom for 17 years. How dare anyone even suggest that he should have to pay for the privilege?