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Would this be frowned upon regarding a job application?

64 replies

rosewasthevillain · 23/07/2023 11:38

So I’m trying to get a new in a well known company and whilst I work in the role they are advertising I work in a different sector. I’m more corporate and that’s retail so it’s working against me.

I’ve found one of their recruiters on LinkedIn and I feel like messaging her my cv and just saying is it worth me applying for jobs at X? Worded better obviously.

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EleanorRavenclaw · 23/07/2023 14:18

Go for it, as pp have said that’s what LinkedIn is for and recruiters source from lots of areas it’s what they do. Messaging the recruitment team isn’t the same as randomly messaging someone else in the organisation unless they actively say they want you to. Good luck!

Quveas · 23/07/2023 14:21

When I was in internal recruitment someone messaging me directly would make them stand out head and shoulders above other people who just send their CV.

As a recruiter, I would ignore entirely any such approach and I would certainly not favour anyone who tried such an approach. Oddly, we prefer to recruit the best candidates based on experience and our selection criteria, not based on who sent us a LinkedIn message.

Preferring candidates based on something that isn't equitable is a discrimination case waiting to happen.

CrabbiesGingerBeer · 23/07/2023 14:24

Where I work it would be seen as showing an inability to follow basic instructions (on how to apply) and would be a massive negative.

If someone isn’t capable / can’t be bothered to follow the instructions on how to apply when I assume they are putting their best foot forward, I shudder to think what they will be like later.

Of course, we get hundreds of applicants for each role so binning someone who ignores requirements isn’t a big deal.

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midsomermurderess · 23/07/2023 14:31

rosewasthevillain · 23/07/2023 13:01

It isn’t at all. But I spoke with a recruitment agency who recruits for their higher roles and he said without the exact experience it’s hard for me to move over so he suggested it’s best if I reach out to the companies directly. It therefore seemed more logical to say - this is me and what I do so is it worth me applying or would lack of experience count me out completely.

Seeing as I’ve had four rejections this week and I’m in a job where my mental health is so bad because of it I was suicidal during December and could barely even get out of bed.

I’m trying to be productive and make my life better rather than get a stamped approval it’s to find out where I’m going wrong by talking to a human rather than an automation online. I’m single and have no one else to support me with paying bills so it’s not like I can just quit my job and be free.

Your response here is horribly manipulative. Stop being like that.

CovertImage · 23/07/2023 14:36

custardlover · 23/07/2023 13:12

I hate it when people contact me about roles I am recruiting for and ask for a chat / review if their skill set in advance - makes me think they are looking for an easy path or that they're too good to go through the process like everyone else. It really puts me off them.

Agree

thousandbirds · 23/07/2023 14:37

drpet49 · 23/07/2023 14:14

What a shitty response. Good luck getting a job OP, looks like you need it.

Agree. Really shitty.

Why even ask if you already made up your mind anyway.

3BSHKATS · 23/07/2023 14:39

Quveas · 23/07/2023 14:21

When I was in internal recruitment someone messaging me directly would make them stand out head and shoulders above other people who just send their CV.

As a recruiter, I would ignore entirely any such approach and I would certainly not favour anyone who tried such an approach. Oddly, we prefer to recruit the best candidates based on experience and our selection criteria, not based on who sent us a LinkedIn message.

Preferring candidates based on something that isn't equitable is a discrimination case waiting to happen.

WTF …. No its not.

TeleTropes · 23/07/2023 15:34

When I recruited for roles I would appreciated an applicant who had passed the first round asking more questions or wanting a chat.

Someone who hasn’t applied yet.. I would have told them to submit their application and I’ll see their CV that way and feed back as appropriate.

rosewasthevillain · 23/07/2023 15:37

midsomermurderess · 23/07/2023 14:31

Your response here is horribly manipulative. Stop being like that.

Manipulative? Who am I trying to manipulate?! Strangers who aren’t going to give me a job. Great success that would be.

I’m being truthful. My god. I’m trying to understand what I need to do to be considered for certain roles and I feel more pressure because my current job is horrendous.

I couldn’t imagine saying to someone who admitted their mental health is in the gutter and saying you’re a manipulator. When they have nothing to gain at all from admitting it.

You think I’m manipulating people so everyone will say to message them? And how would that work to my benefit when they really think it would put me at more of a disadvantage.

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rosewasthevillain · 23/07/2023 15:38

TeleTropes · 23/07/2023 15:34

When I recruited for roles I would appreciated an applicant who had passed the first round asking more questions or wanting a chat.

Someone who hasn’t applied yet.. I would have told them to submit their application and I’ll see their CV that way and feed back as appropriate.

Just for reference I have submitted my CV.

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Catchasingmewithspiders · 23/07/2023 15:38

Op: Should I do this?

Poster: I wouldn't personally

Op: Oh so its a criminal offence then?

What a wierd response snapping at people for trying to help you when you have asked for opinions/help

rosewasthevillain · 23/07/2023 15:40

thousandbirds · 23/07/2023 14:37

Agree. Really shitty.

Why even ask if you already made up your mind anyway.

I haven’t made my mind up at all. I’ve not messaged anyone and I’m 80/20 on not doing it.

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rosewasthevillain · 23/07/2023 15:41

Catchasingmewithspiders · 23/07/2023 15:38

Op: Should I do this?

Poster: I wouldn't personally

Op: Oh so its a criminal offence then?

What a wierd response snapping at people for trying to help you when you have asked for opinions/help

I was referring to the stalker comment. I don’t think it’s appropriate to say someone is a stalker for messaging someone on a networking site. Stalking is a criminal offence and it shouldn’t be watered down to be used in the instance of someone sending one email.

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ZiriForEver · 23/07/2023 15:43

In my field it wouldn't harm you in any way, but it wouldn't help you either.

The general sentiment is "get the candidates in the pipeline, we will reject sort them later"

TeleTropes · 23/07/2023 15:59

rosewasthevillain · 23/07/2023 15:38

Just for reference I have submitted my CV.

In that case, I’d message to say you’d applied and the reasons why you are looking for a move to a different sector, and why you think your skills will translate, and maybe ask if they’re open to an informal chat to answer your questions.

Happytohelp2 · 23/07/2023 16:11

Beignet · 23/07/2023 12:19

Definitely not. Contact the recruiter via their professional contact email (on the job advert) and ask for an informal discussion regarding the role.

This. Definitely this. A direct approach via linked in would be a red flag to me as a recruiter.

Quveas · 23/07/2023 17:39

3BSHKATS · 23/07/2023 14:39

WTF …. No its not.

Yes it is. I defy anyone to find me a skill set or job criteria anywhere that says "give extra points for contacting us via something other than the application process". There is a reason for application processes being standardised, and that is to protect the employer from allegations of discrimination and favouritism. "Candidate 3 contacted me through LinkedIn so they are much better than any other candidate" is not better than "Candidate 4 is my best friends brother".

Whadda · 23/07/2023 17:44

Honestly OP, based on your posts here, I think you should avoid any unnecessary communications.

You’ll give yourself too many opportunities to make yourself sound unpleasant and difficult.

rosewasthevillain · 23/07/2023 17:59

Whadda · 23/07/2023 17:44

Honestly OP, based on your posts here, I think you should avoid any unnecessary communications.

You’ll give yourself too many opportunities to make yourself sound unpleasant and difficult.

What makes someone on a Sunday evening post purely to jab the knife in just a bit more? Have some compassion. We all go through shit times in our life, going out your way to make someone feel worse says a lot about your character:

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TerfTalking · 23/07/2023 18:06

I’m neither looking for a job or recruiting but seriously OP, you seem super prickly, defensive and with a chunky chip on your shoulder.

Don’t waste your energy sniping back at me, I care not.

rosewasthevillain · 23/07/2023 18:09

TerfTalking · 23/07/2023 18:06

I’m neither looking for a job or recruiting but seriously OP, you seem super prickly, defensive and with a chunky chip on your shoulder.

Don’t waste your energy sniping back at me, I care not.

You’re not worth the effort at “sniping” back at. Because I also care not what you think.

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HundredMilesAnHour · 23/07/2023 18:21

OMG OP you're being really unpleasant to people. You might not like the answers but there's no need to be like this. Seriously have a think about how you're coming across as you're doing yourself no favours.

rosewasthevillain · 23/07/2023 18:35

HundredMilesAnHour · 23/07/2023 18:21

OMG OP you're being really unpleasant to people. You might not like the answers but there's no need to be like this. Seriously have a think about how you're coming across as you're doing yourself no favours.

But it’s ok what others have said?

I don’t even care at this point. So shove your patronising one sided comment.

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DinnaeFashYersel · 23/07/2023 18:45

If it's a recruitment agency then it's quite legitimate to contact them.

If it's someone who works for the company who will be on the interview panel then don't do it. It's annoying and can compromise HR and EDI protocols.

rosewasthevillain · 23/07/2023 18:48

DinnaeFashYersel · 23/07/2023 18:45

If it's a recruitment agency then it's quite legitimate to contact them.

If it's someone who works for the company who will be on the interview panel then don't do it. It's annoying and can compromise HR and EDI protocols.

It’s someone who works in recruitment .. so likely they wouldn’t be interviewing? Works that way where I am, just managers that do the interview.

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