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Wits end with 12 year old DD, need help!

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Ifyouwantmeillbeinthebar · 23/06/2023 08:51

My youngest of 4 DD’s (just turned 12) is driving me up the wall, I suspect NNT and she has in the past been flagged up as struggling with concepts at school but DH won’t really entertain it so we just continue with us all at logger heads with me normally being the mediator.

DH however is in the Forces and is currently away so it’s just me and today for the 1st time today have thought to myself I really don’t know how I’m going to cope on my own for the next couple of months.

She can be the sweetest child, affectionate, funny, very ourdoorsy, adores her animals, switched on (if anyone has ever lost anything she is the one to ask) however there is just no reasoning with her about anything and she has no ability to look inwards at her own actions and entertain anything she doesn’t want to do, from bed time, sharing chores, to wearing the correct school uniform, to taking things that’s aren’t hers, to eating peoples food, to leaving the house on time for school, the list is just endless, it’s all a constant battle.

Teaming that with the now dreaded Y7 personality transplant (been through it with all my DD’s,) hormones and her digging her heals in at doing anything quickly and her being the youngest and always trying to push the boundaries on things that are age appropriate, it’s just seems to the right mixture of elements to push me over the edge.

This morning she missed her school bus because she was trying to take her sisters tote bag instead of her school bag but big sis needed it, all hell broke loose, she was screaming, refusing to go to school, dragged her heals, spent another 15 minutes in front of her mirror putting lip gloss on, came down chewing gum loudly l, told me I was pathetic, now has to walk a mile to the main bus stop to catch bus but she isn’t bothered! I am though, she is only just 12.

I’ve tried everything, taking her phone off her, taking away privileges, shouting, sitting down and trying to talk to her, ignoring negative and rewarding positive behaviour absolutely nothing works.

This afternoon she will come in like nothing has happened and all will be forgotten till the next time that something isn’t going the way she wants and we will start all over again.

I’ve just spoke to my very unsympathetic DM on the phone who said I can’t believe you let her miss the bus, just make her leave the house (!?!!!) obviously if it was as easy as that I would, but I can’t physically man handle her out the house, the more I react, shout, touch her the more she becomes aggressive, defiant and we are less likely to get a positive outcome so generally my tactic is to defuse but then other DC say that it’s unfair and DD gets away with everything and they are right…

DD ended up taking the tote bag this morning as she wouldn’t have left for school otherwise.

I really would love to hear from anyone who has a child with similar traits, and any support, help, advice would be really helpful.

She is my 4th DD and I like to think I’m a good mum but I’m constantly wondering if I’ve somehow caused this behaviour.

OP posts:
Felici · 23/06/2023 11:49

The ignorance from some posters re 'giving in to tantrums' is really quite staggering. Those of you who've clearly not had to parent children with these ND traits please try & think about the impact your opinions have and do a bit more reading on the subject.

OP you've been given some good advice. I just want to say I wish you well, it sounds tough.

UniversalTruth · 23/06/2023 12:00

With or without a diagnosis, I think it sounds like your DD has executive function deficits. If you can identify her areas of weakness and re-define them as this rather than a choice of bad behaviour, I think it might help.

I second the recommendation of The Explosive Child, also Smart but Scattered has good quizzes to help pull out her strengths and weaknesses. It's 'included' on Audible if you happen to have that and the pdf is on there for the quizzes.

On 'giving into tantrums', I don't think it sounds like you are doing bad parenting, I think it sounds like you've done what needs to be done to get her to the important things like school. But if you work out a way together to avoid meltdowns in future, everyone will benefit.

blackheartsgirl · 23/06/2023 12:13

Ifyouwantmeillbeinthebar · 23/06/2023 08:51

My youngest of 4 DD’s (just turned 12) is driving me up the wall, I suspect NNT and she has in the past been flagged up as struggling with concepts at school but DH won’t really entertain it so we just continue with us all at logger heads with me normally being the mediator.

DH however is in the Forces and is currently away so it’s just me and today for the 1st time today have thought to myself I really don’t know how I’m going to cope on my own for the next couple of months.

She can be the sweetest child, affectionate, funny, very ourdoorsy, adores her animals, switched on (if anyone has ever lost anything she is the one to ask) however there is just no reasoning with her about anything and she has no ability to look inwards at her own actions and entertain anything she doesn’t want to do, from bed time, sharing chores, to wearing the correct school uniform, to taking things that’s aren’t hers, to eating peoples food, to leaving the house on time for school, the list is just endless, it’s all a constant battle.

Teaming that with the now dreaded Y7 personality transplant (been through it with all my DD’s,) hormones and her digging her heals in at doing anything quickly and her being the youngest and always trying to push the boundaries on things that are age appropriate, it’s just seems to the right mixture of elements to push me over the edge.

This morning she missed her school bus because she was trying to take her sisters tote bag instead of her school bag but big sis needed it, all hell broke loose, she was screaming, refusing to go to school, dragged her heals, spent another 15 minutes in front of her mirror putting lip gloss on, came down chewing gum loudly l, told me I was pathetic, now has to walk a mile to the main bus stop to catch bus but she isn’t bothered! I am though, she is only just 12.

I’ve tried everything, taking her phone off her, taking away privileges, shouting, sitting down and trying to talk to her, ignoring negative and rewarding positive behaviour absolutely nothing works.

This afternoon she will come in like nothing has happened and all will be forgotten till the next time that something isn’t going the way she wants and we will start all over again.

I’ve just spoke to my very unsympathetic DM on the phone who said I can’t believe you let her miss the bus, just make her leave the house (!?!!!) obviously if it was as easy as that I would, but I can’t physically man handle her out the house, the more I react, shout, touch her the more she becomes aggressive, defiant and we are less likely to get a positive outcome so generally my tactic is to defuse but then other DC say that it’s unfair and DD gets away with everything and they are right…

DD ended up taking the tote bag this morning as she wouldn’t have left for school otherwise.

I really would love to hear from anyone who has a child with similar traits, and any support, help, advice would be really helpful.

She is my 4th DD and I like to think I’m a good mum but I’m constantly wondering if I’ve somehow caused this behaviour.

I honestly had to check whether this was me writing this in my sleep as dd3 (also my 4th) is exactly the same, literally word for word !

she has just turned 13 and we are struggling so much, also believe she is ND ( my eldest 2 are)

I am a lone parent and we have been through the
mill as a family which hasn’t helped
no advice just wanted to let you know you are not alone!

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Ifyouwantmeillbeinthebar · 23/06/2023 15:14

I think I will keep documenting this thread as seems to have already helped a few people

I have just wrote a list of other little personality traits I have noticed, I thought it would help if I were to make a GP appointment.

sometimes trouble sleeping
constant nail biting/fidgeting
low empathy for other humans/VERY high empathy for animals
lots of food aversions
binge eating
sneakiness

and because I worry that doesn’t make her sound like a very nice/difficult child some lovely characteristics that make me smile and her her!

Very organised
HATES being late
likes to help people in a real practical way that makes a difference
loves making a fuss of people and birthday/Christmas
Is very clever and funny with words, accents comes up with her own quotes or sometimes something she has heard once in a film and then brings into conversation in a really humerus and relevant way
Is very hands on, loves helping with outdoors DIY, fencing etc
Can be very affectionate but definitely on her own terms.

OP posts:
UnbeatenMum · 23/06/2023 15:31

I'd guess the underlying issue this morning was anxiety, which would fit with being ND or just a 12yo who perhaps finds some aspects of school quite hard. I wonder if you could talk to her at a time when she's calmer about whether she does feel anxious in the mornings and if there's anything that might help.

UniversalTruth · 23/06/2023 17:16

From my perspective (parent, not expert in anything other than my experience with my own children) that sounds more like an AD(H)D profile if anything.

Having said that, waits for assessment are very long so I would start with the techniques in The Explosive Child either way.

bird87 · 04/10/2023 21:27

I feel your pain I'm the same with my dd. She's the oldest of two but her attitude is just terrible and I have no idea what to do

OhcantthInkofaname · 04/10/2023 22:11

You let her take her sisters tote bag? Get some gumption. Don't let her get away with this. Ignore her.

SapatSea · 04/10/2023 23:02

I know a few posters have already mentioned Ross Greene's book The Explosive child but he also has charity that has website with free videos guiding you through a whole process to help to identify lagging skills and in collaboration with your child solve problems
https://livesinthebalance.org/walking-tour/#step-1

WALKING TOUR TEST – LIVES IN THE BALANCE

https://livesinthebalance.org/walking-tour#step-1

Raisinsandweetabix · 22/01/2024 21:00

God help me please 😞😞 I am so depressed and desperate with my 12 year old DD. She's ADHD medicated, holds it together all day at school but evenings are becoming pure hell. Swearing at me, throwing things, unable to eat until 8pm due to medication so then demands salty, greasy food and nothing I cook is good enough. I feel so sorry for her as she is finding y7 hard. But this is too much

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