I need a safe space to talk about Donald Trump and American Politics

[PicnicBunny]

What is going on? All takes welcome

What about the UK and EU? What is your knowledge of the EU’s/UK’s response to the Russian invasion?

@PicnicBunny
The Russians started the war in the Ukraine by invading. FACT.
Europe supports Ukraine because if Russia is allowed to take Ukraine who will be next?

Maybe you need to read up on Just wars:
Good cause? YES.
Winnable? Yes (hopefully).
Less harm by fighting than by not? Yes (at least Zelensky thinks so and he leads their country).

Please go back to worrying about chemtrails and whether the royal family are lizards.

Safe space? He is a nutter. Full stop. HTH

This the bit I think is propaganda. Some of it is true. They’re both awful presidential candidates. Bernie was pretty ok

Safe space = padded cell.

Oh you're one of those. Do fuck off. I have family in your so called proxy war whose lives are absolutely ruined and terrified. Why don't you go to Ukraine for a little holiday and show us what you find.

I honestly can’t understand how in a country of millions and millions of people, the choice is Biden or Trump.

I can’t think of anything positive about Trump though, he’s a vile vile person who has absolutely nothing about him that makes me think he’s there to work for America and Americans. He’s there purely for him. Him and Boris are very alike in that way.

Don’t know enough about Biden, but seriously the Democrats need to fine someone else

Don't feed it.....it has hairy hands

from what I understand, there were talks of peace at the beginning of the ‘crisis’ which US derailed. The cause of the crisis goes back to end of Cold War, Minsk agreement more later on, NATO expansion and the talks of Ukraine joining despite having disputed territory, American input in Ukraine Politics, and more that is probably too much to get into. (And that I don’t understand)

Putin was not deemed to be a total nutter - until he was. Even Germany had started relying on them for gas and UK had Russian money all over the place.

I’m not saying Trump would have done it any different, (he almost started ww3 with Iran so may have gone ALL IN WW3 with Russia!) but Biden’s family seem knee deep in the Ukrainian politics and money.

I agree entirely. The whole system needs a reboot. That entire country full of wonderful people and they have these two guys?? I know they need backing by the lobby groups (and that those lobby groups have a vested interest… it isn’t conspiracy to notice that)

I had liked Marianne Williamson also at one point, thought she was running as a candidate. I think the Clinton/Trump/Biden is such toxic divisive politics.

Thank you to everyone who’s keeping it respectful and willing to engage.

There is a fair amount on Oxford university's website that explains this situation OP.

Have a read of through this morning it will explain more than anyone here, assumption so apologies if anyone is a scholar in this subject, if you are interested.

A proxy war is when a major power (or more powers) instigates or plays a major role in supporting and directing a party to a conflict but does only a small portion of the actual fighting itself.

Ukraine is being supplied by US, UK, and NATO countries, so could be. The casualties are ALWAYS THE PEOPLE. I’m not saying it’s not a war. Or that it’s faked. Get a grip.

I take it you’ve got the day off work OP and not a great deal to do

i have too much to do and need a distraction

If you wanted a pro-Trump thread, why didn't you just say that in the thread title.

The "west" basically staged a coup in 2014 in Ukraine. Eastern Ukraine and Crimea, there's a strong argument that it "should" be Russian.

Rather than pumping billions into a war where young russians and Ukrainians are being fed into a meat grinder to benefit a select few, Trump is one of the only ones pushing for peace (also JFK Jr from the democratic side)

Op you're right

Sure you do 😂

Trump is not the answer though and I’m still waiting for you to say anything you think is positive about him and his followers

If you want a safe space to shill for the kremlin, try truth social.

Jesus christ there's another one.