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Are you an early years teacher?

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Playgrind · 14/06/2023 10:43

Opinions please!

Ive just been offered an early years teacher role at a small family-run chain of private nurseries.

I am a former secondary teacher wIth other related professional training & experience at primary age, but not early years.

Before I accept the role, what should I ask/look out for? They have suggested salary of £27k but am negotiating for more. I asked about planning time but didn't get an answer. Is it the norm to not have dedicated planning/paperwork time at this stage/setting?

I am expecting a salary drop but obvs need to minimise this, more important to me is the feel of the place and how well they support the staff and children.

Any tips on questions to ask/red flags to look for would be great!

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ImAMinion · 14/06/2023 19:50

Just to clarify, a nursery- not a nursery that’s part of a school, it’s a family owned nursery?

I work in a prep which has a nursery as part of the school which has an early years teacher - I’m assuming this is not what you’re doing. Please obviously correct me.

Is it all year round or a term time only nursery / job?

The fact that’s it’s a private business means that they don’t have to stick to the Teacher Pay Scale. So in all reality your pay will likely not rise either - it will stay as it is with minor increases here and there. Private schools don’t have to use the main pay scale and a family run nursery doesn’t have to.

The budget will likely be tight. Many children will be on funded hours. You should be aware of this and the general budget issues around the 30 / 15 hours as you negotiate. They won’t be part of the TPS either.

The feel of the place would also be what’s important to me. This would be the case anywhere!

Not so much red flags, but I would be finding out is:
Are all the children in all week long? Or can they choose sessions? (In which case you’ll have some children there all week all day, some only in the morning, some you’ll see once a week etc) - this will affect your planning. You’ll likely have to repeat.

Are you going to be responsible for the whole setting as a teacher - just the preschool, just the preschool and toddlers?
In line with that, say there’s 30 children in the preschool, are you having a Key Group or are you going to be planning, assessing and working with all 30?

Ive worked in two day nurseries and admittedly we never had an employed teacher. We all had a key group and virtually no time out at all to do work (did it in lunch break) because ratio requirements are high.

So are you going to be teaching a lesson (say a phonics session) to the whole lot and then being “free” when the children are doing free flow / key worker time or are you part of that too?

So you need to establish if, as your employment title is teacher as opposed to Early Years Practitioner which most nursery staff are, do the teacher rules for PPA time apply to you (which I think is 10%).

Nursery jobs are quite domestic - lots of cleaning involved (cleaner not guaranteed) possible food prep, washing up and nappy changing etc. Clarify whether this is part of your role or not.

And this I suppose is how you negotiate - if your being employed to teach a full EY curriculum to the whole preschool and doing all the journals and assessing etc then that is very different to being a teacher to help with ratios and teaching one little lesson a day and then being like a standard practitioner if you get me.

Red flags would be standard as anywhere - safeguarding, general treatment of the children, attitudes - go with your gut on it all.

Tips:

Some of them will have an attention span of ten seconds! Quick and fast and lots of interaction.

Go on Pinterest for lots of amazing phonics and Number activities - there’s hundreds of ways to learn letters and numbers and practice formation. Fishing for letters in water and putting them together to make real words / nonsense words for example.

Movement breaks - look up The Learning Station on YouTube or if there’s no interactive whiteboard look for music that can be used.

Run with their interests. Plan around interests. They’re all loving animals? Go with it!

Remember that everything just takes that bit longer than secondary school and much of the time you just really have to go back to basics. I did whole sessions practising putting coats on! Never assume something so simple is something they know.

School preparation - parents will love you for it. We came up with a little “school” for school starters from the summer term - gave it a name and just practised school. Changing and doing PE (asked everyone to bring in a PE kit) , did some little lessons a bit more formally each day, got some school uniform for the dressing up…..

Best of luck, I love working in early years

Alittlebitolderandeeperindebt · 14/06/2023 20:23

Honestly- if they are prepared to employ you it shows that they don't care about a quality education for the children and only want to be able to say that they have a QTS teacher

Run a mile

Looneytune253 · 14/06/2023 20:38

I thought you had to do a specific early years teaching degree to be relevant these days?

MinnieEgg · 14/06/2023 20:41

Have you got no early years experience at all? It's like another world. From nappies to not being able to sit in a circle.

I just did a term in a school nursery with two and three year olds. The two year olds were actual babies. And I had to try and teach them.

LondonQueen · 14/06/2023 20:45

Run for the hills. If they're prepared to hire a secondary school teacher in an early years role they obviously have no regard for experience. Also worth mentioning, your pay won't rise year on year like it would in a school, I think 27k is less than an ECT is paid! You also won't have access to the TPS.

CaptainMyCaptain · 14/06/2023 21:01

I have a BEd and was an Early Years teacher in school nurseries for over 30 years. I was paid on the same scales as any other teacher primary or secondary. I wouldn't take that job.

SeeingSpots · 14/06/2023 21:04

Alittlebitolderandeeperindebt · 14/06/2023 20:23

Honestly- if they are prepared to employ you it shows that they don't care about a quality education for the children and only want to be able to say that they have a QTS teacher

Run a mile

Agreed! If you don't know even the basics then it's insane to consider the position. Early years requires just as much knowledge as every other stage of teaching if not more, don't assume it's easy because they are little.

The fact they have employed you with no eyfs experience screams red flags and that they are not focusing on what is in the childs best interests.

CaptainMyCaptain · 14/06/2023 21:08

I forgot to say my BEd (4 years) specialised in Early Years and I kept up to date with all the changes and introduction of the Early Years Foundation Stage curriculum and guidance. The fact that they don't require this is a big red flag.

Playgrind · 14/06/2023 22:21

Thanks @ImAMinion really helpful things to think about.

It's not a nursery attached to a school, or reception year at primary, but a nursery that looks after kids 0-5 years. So not expecting/hoping for anything like MPS or teacher pensions etc.

To @Alittlebitolderandeeperindebt a bit harsh when you haven't seen my cv, I have loads of relevant professional training and experience in a closely related field Including working with kids with profound and multiple learning disabilities. I was able wax lyrical about the early years development framework and was told I gave a great interview.

My ultimate aim would be to work in or even run a nursery based on alternate approaches to education like reggio Emilia. Probably just a pipedream unless the magic money tree pops up. I hate how early years education is so undervalued in this country.

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Playgrind · 14/06/2023 22:24

Oh, I should also say I liked the approach of the manager, who values in investing in people. They all ready have am early years teacher or two, are looking to have one in every room, AFAIK this is unusual.

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Alittlebitolderandeeperindebt · 14/06/2023 22:54

Playgrind · 14/06/2023 22:24

Oh, I should also say I liked the approach of the manager, who values in investing in people. They all ready have am early years teacher or two, are looking to have one in every room, AFAIK this is unusual.

One or two?

£27k for a QTS isnt investing in people
No PPA isnt investing in people
Ask them if you cant do the NPQ in early years-it is for nurseries. Will they pay for your releases to do ? Or will they fund an MA?

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